for share and comment

[delor]

Originally Posted by Jean

The pamor extends to the tip and it looks superficially applied on the iron/steel core. I am not sure that this is an old blade.

My opinion too. And the twisted pattern looks quite unusual to me...

[Mamat Lombok]

hi friends,
thank you for your comment.
for Jean: you certainly could argue that this blade is not old, but of course I also know better because I got this blade from the original rural population of lombok and I am sure about the authenticity of this blade.
to Alan: Yes it is...this is lombok / bali blade.
thank you

mamat

[Jean]

Originally Posted by Mamat Lombok

hi friends,
thank you for your comment.
for Jean: you certainly could argue that this blade is not old, but of course I also know better because I got this blade from the original rural population of lombok and I am sure about the authenticity of this blade.
to Alan: Yes it is...this is lombok / bali blade.
thank you

mamat

Hello Mamat,
If you are sure about the origin and age of your blade, what do you expect from the forum members then?
Best regards
Jean

[Mamat Lombok]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Mamat,
If you are sure about the origin and age of your blade, what do you expect from the forum members then?
Best regards
Jean

hello Jean,
thank you for your opinion ...you are right .. .. I send this picture to share and comments, it is my expectation .. but when you say that the blade is not old, I would have to argue.
about the age of this dagger frankly I do not know, I just based estimates only.
Thank you.

Mamat

[David]

Originally Posted by Mamat Lombok

hello Jean,
thank you for your opinion ...you are right .. .. I send this picture to share and comments, it is my expectation .. but when you say that the blade is not old, I would have to argue.
about the age of this dagger frankly I do not know, I just based estimates only.
Thank you.

Mamat

Well Mamat, you put the blade up for comments and comments you got. You say the blade is old because of where you claim to have collected it, but then you say that "frankly I do not know". So what exactly do you base your estimates on and how old is "old". We had this conversation not to long ago. I personally don't call something "old" unless it's pre WWII. It's not "antique unless it is at least 100 years old. But a couple of decades is considered "old by some. Last week is old for some. Which definition of "old do you adhere to?
Frankly, for me this blade raises a few red flags in terms of age and origin. Others here seem to feel the same way. These are, of course, just opinions, but they come from educated sources. Arguing seems pointless unless you can offer some solid provenance.

[Alam Shah]

What I've heard from friends.. unethical dealers do purposely send new artificially aged keris to villagers, meant to trick those whom are seeking old keris in the village, hoping to find a 'sleeper'. Sometimes, these keris are left on purpose to develop rust and 'so-called' patina.. so that the outlook seems old and more believable when viewed by the seeker..

In my limited travels, I've come across some of these.. sometimes a third-party is used to promote the sale.. caveat emptor..

[delor]

Does someone know any example of true ancient kerises with such twisted pattern ?