old style barung! Borneo?

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Battara

On rare occasion I have seen a piece like this and I also think this is from Borneo.

Thank you Jose,
Maybe somebody has one in his collection which he would like to share in this thread? I would like see more of these...

Originally Posted by Migueldiaz

If ever the Leiden trip pushes through, I'll write to the curator beforehand to ask for permission (hopefully, he/she will grant it).

Let me know when it is going to happen. It would be great to meet you guys in the Leiden depot.....

Originally Posted by Sajen

This barung is indeed a great piece like nearly all pieces in this collection.
Now I understand why you want to have a similar barung. ).

Absolutely true! I was looking for a good old style barung for quite a while. I wanted one to stay in my collection. Now I only need a shield, and I would be satisfied.... (well......almost satisfied).....

[migueldiaz]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Let me know when it is going to happen. It would be great to meet you guys in the Leiden depot.....

Thanks and looking forward to that! Also, we will tell the curator that we will be traveling half way around the globe just to see what's in the depot ... maybe that 'drama' will work

[kino]

Found this Barung on eBay last month. Dimensions are probably close to the ex-members Barung. My blade is not as nice and I don't have a scabbard.
The dimensions are: blade length 10.75 in., widest part of blade 3.25 in., length of handle 7.75 in.

Maurice, what are the dimensions of your and the ex-members Barungs?

[laEspadaAncha]

Hi Maurice,

I'm a little late to the game here, but the shape/proportions of your barong remind me of one I acquired in August that was one of four Moro blades acquired by a U.S. officer following action on Mindanao in 1900. It too had a horn sleeve/ferule, though I can't really compare its length as it is obscured by the chord wrapping:

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Hi Maurice,

I'm a little late to the game here, but the shape/proportions of your barong remind me of one I acquired in August that was one of four Moro blades acquired by a U.S. officer following action on Mindanao in 1900. It too had a horn sleeve/ferule, though I can't really compare its length as it is obscured by the chord wrapping:

Thanks for posting yours as comparison. It could be yakan? But I'm not that experienced in barungs to be sure about it and maybe others can tell you more about it. However the cacatua pommel is not clearly yakan style to me..??
Can you see somewhere a sign where a possibly "thickening" in the chord wrapping stops, to nose out the length of the horn sleeve?

Maurice

[CharlesS]

I am removing my pics from this thread to start a new thread regarding what I believe to be a Yakan barong.

[kai]

I am removing my pics from this thread to start a new thread regarding what I believe to be a Yakan barong.

Hello Charles,

I don't think it is a good idea to remove pics from a thread since this makes tracing the original discussion difficult or even impossible. If there is any new information later on, just add it to the thread possibly with a link or two. Just my 2 cents though...

Regards,
Kai

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by kino

Found this Barung on eBay last month. Dimensions are probably close to the ex-members Barung. My blade is not as nice and I don't have a scabbard.
The dimensions are: blade length 10.75 in., widest part of blade 3.25 in., length of handle 7.75 in.

Maurice, what are the dimensions of your and the ex-members Barungs?

Kino that is also a beauty!
I like the condition of the horn punto. Is there somewhere a crack in it?

The dimensions of mine are (barung I mean ofcourse ): overall length 23,20 inches, blade length 13,75 inches, widest part of the blade 2,95 inches, thickness of the blade near the handle 8mm.

I don't know the measurements of Ben's barung, but the one he has and the one you have are more the same in shape I guess when looking at the images...they look more compact as mine.

Maurice

[kino]

Originally Posted by Maurice

I like the condition of the horn punto. Is there somewhere a crack in it?

Maurice

Forutunately the horn punto has no crack. i've taken some preventative measures by applying Vitamin E to it.
Just for fun, here is a photo of another sword that was attributed to Borneo from awhile back. What a size difference.

[Battara]

Kino that little barong you have is the first of it's type that I have seen that has a silver ferrule (below the horn punto). Vitamin E? - never thought of that.

Also I think that Ibeam and Cecil Quirino would call the larger barong in the picture a sipput barong. My understanding is that these are not as wide and perhaps longer than the average barong.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Battara

Kino that little barong you have is the first of it's type that I have seen that has a silver ferrule (below the horn punto).

I have found the one, I was sure I had seen somewhere, with a silver ferrule below the horn punto, after a quick search.
This one is from the museum Leiden database.

Maurice

[kino]

Originally Posted by Battara

Also I think that Ibeam and Cecil Quirino would call the larger barong in the picture a sipput barong. My understanding is that these are not as wide and perhaps longer than the average barong.

Battara, I'm not sure if the longer one is considered a Barung. The hilt is not your typical Barung hilt. Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by asomotif

Is this serious ? what does vitamin E do to a dead piece of horn ?

Relax dude.... It what was available at the moment, my wife was moisturizing her nails and cuticles with Vit.E . Wow ...just think, I almost used Sally Hansen's Hard as Nails

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by kino

Forutunately the horn punto has no crack. i've taken some preventative measures by applying Vitamin E to it.
Just for fun, here is a photo of another sword that was attributed to Borneo from awhile back. What a size difference.

Incredible there is no crack in the horn part! It must have been preserved very well in the old days...
I will look later if I can find images of barungs like these with a silver ferrule like yours.
Funny contrast those two next to eachother. But I like the smaller "tubby" one more, but that is just my taste...