Sulawesi (toraja?) keris

Alam Shah · 5th December 2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Shahrial,
Very beautiful kris, obviously not in the same category as mine! But is it Toraja or rather from Makassar/Gowa/ Bima? The picture is not clear but the hilt rather looks to depict Arjuna or Bima than a Toraja ancestor.

Hi Jean,
I guess not of the same quality. But what I was getting at is, there are different quality of work. The keris that I've linked, oops! my mistake.

While trying to get a quick example, linked to a questionable one.

I've watch a documentary about the Torajan some time back, which showed keris, as well. That made me thought that it existed within the culture. Perhaps it is like Northern Nias, where it's an 'imported' culture. For the Torajan, perhaps the influence comes from the south, probably Makassar.

Jean · 6th December 2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi Jean,
For the Torajan, perhaps the influence comes from the south, probably Makassar.

Hello Shahrial,
Yes for sure the Toraja krisses are strongly influenced by those from Makassar and the Bugis as there were strong ties between them. By the way I remember to have seen one or two Toraja krisses (not fantastic pieces) in a local museum, may be in Rantepao.
Best regards
Jean

Jean · 6th December 2010, 09:07 PM

Picture of a Toraja noble woman attending a ceremony with her kris.

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 04:26 AM

Late sharing on Marco's thread. I have some pictures of kerises from Kesultanan Bone of South Sulawesi or known popularly as Kesultanan Bugis too. You may compare the style of these images on Bone keris, with "pangulu tau tau" (human head hilt). These were the Museum Gajah's collection, the National Museum of Jakarta...

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ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 04:29 AM

This is also Museum Gajah's Collection on Kesultanan Bone's keris, taken from BlackBerry cellphone...

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 04:31 AM

Another Kerajaan Bone's keris, from the collection of Museum Gajah, the National Museum of Jakarta...

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 04:36 AM

One of two kerises is a Kerajaan Gowa (also South Sulawesi) keris (first from left), from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam, Holland. I took this picture two years ago...

After the domination of eastern Nusantara imperium Kesultanan Gowa in Sulawesi -- after Makassar war 1667 -- then under the Dutch influence, the Sulawesi was dominated by Kerajaan Bone (Bone Sultanate). At that time, the XVI sultan of Gowa was Sultan Hassanuddin 1653-1669, and the sultan of Bone Sultanate was La Tenri Arung Palakka 1672-1696 (the statue with spear and keris in Bone, Watampone depicted Arung Palakka). Both kesultanans had their sultans from 1300-s...

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6th December 2010, 09:07 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Picture of a Toraja noble woman attending a ceremony with her kris. Attached Images

17th October 2011, 04:26 AM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Late sharing on Marco's thread. I have some pictures of kerises from Kesultanan Bone of South Sulawesi or known popularly as Kesultanan Bugis too. You may compare the style of these images on Bone keris, with "pangulu tau tau" (human head hilt). These were the Museum Gajah's collection, the National Museum of Jakarta... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

17th October 2011, 04:29 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	This is also Museum Gajah's Collection on Kesultanan Bone's keris, taken from BlackBerry cellphone... Attached Images

17th October 2011, 04:31 AM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Another Kerajaan Bone's keris, from the collection of Museum Gajah, the National Museum of Jakarta... Attached Images

17th October 2011, 04:36 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Sulawesi after Perang Makassar (Makassar War 1667) One of two kerises is a Kerajaan Gowa (also South Sulawesi) keris (first from left), from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam, Holland. I took this picture two years ago... After the domination of eastern Nusantara imperium Kesultanan Gowa in Sulawesi -- after Makassar war 1667 -- then under the Dutch influence, the Sulawesi was dominated by Kerajaan Bone (Bone Sultanate). At that time, the XVI sultan of Gowa was Sultan Hassanuddin 1653-1669, and the sultan of Bone Sultanate was La Tenri Arung Palakka 1672-1696 (the statue with spear and keris in Bone, Watampone depicted Arung Palakka). Both kesultanans had their sultans from 1300-s... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 17th October 2011 at 06:27 AM.