Next keris from Polish Museum

tuancd · 22nd June 2005, 10:05 AM

Dear Andrew

Thanks for the moderation you bring to this enthusiast discussion

Dear Marto

I'm pleased that we have clarified our common appreciation of the valuable work that has been done. More over I'm pleased to know you have contributed to Kerner's work. He was by the way one of the first to associate this kind of hulu to Durga veiled or unveiled. (cf The keris Sudamala 1999)

If I have made you feel misquoted, I apologised It was not my intention. It’s probably my French way of talking English that misled you.

Now if I read again all your posts,
You would only consider evidences as credible, objective and verifiable if
They don’t come from Wayang (the only iconographic art that survived the iconoclasts)
If it is not related to Kerner’s , Jesen’s ,de Marval’s or my own work. (not bad works but westerner)
If they are from a local point of view
And ultimately if there is a big statue from java that shows it.

I must admit it’s going to be difficult.

For my part and until I can convince you or that you can explain me the origin of a senseless hulu, I’ll keep my opinion on the Durga representation.
best regards
Cedric

tuancd · 22nd June 2005, 10:52 AM

To come back from where we started

This Mendak looks like half one from Solo. Time and wear may have done some damages to it, but it does not seem much space for an other half. It fits the handle properly and could be of the same age. It looks to be in a mixed alloy of brass with a lot of copper. It could be interesting to analyze it. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, as everybody knows, but before the 16th it was copper and tin…
Best regards
Cedric

22nd June 2005, 10:52 AM	#2
tuancd Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paris - Bruxelles Posts: 32	To come back from where we started This Mendak looks like half one from Solo. Time and wear may have done some damages to it, but it does not seem much space for an other half. It fits the handle properly and could be of the same age. It looks to be in a mixed alloy of brass with a lot of copper. It could be interesting to analyze it. Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, as everybody knows, but before the 16th it was copper and tin… Best regards Cedric Attached Images

22nd June 2005, 10:05 AM	#1
tuancd Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Paris - Bruxelles Posts: 32	Dear Andrew Thanks for the moderation you bring to this enthusiast discussion Dear Marto I'm pleased that we have clarified our common appreciation of the valuable work that has been done. More over I'm pleased to know you have contributed to Kerner's work. He was by the way one of the first to associate this kind of hulu to Durga veiled or unveiled. (cf The keris Sudamala 1999) If I have made you feel misquoted, I apologised It was not my intention. It’s probably my French way of talking English that misled you. Now if I read again all your posts, You would only consider evidences as credible, objective and verifiable if They don’t come from Wayang (the only iconographic art that survived the iconoclasts) If it is not related to Kerner’s , Jesen’s ,de Marval’s or my own work. (not bad works but westerner) If they are from a local point of view And ultimately if there is a big statue from java that shows it. I must admit it’s going to be difficult. For my part and until I can convince you or that you can explain me the origin of a senseless hulu, I’ll keep my opinion on the Durga representation. best regards Cedric