old style barung! Borneo?

Maurice · 30th November 2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

nice barung, maurice. congrats! the one in juynboll's catalogue (pic below) has a similar (broad) scabbard 'throat'. perhaps you can find out the details from the catalogue and share it to us?

when i went to museo oriental in valladolid in spain, they also have two of such barungs which scabbards are almost exactly the same as yours -- i.e., wide 'throat' (upper part of scabbard), and stylized butt end (bottom of scabbard). the museum's curators strike me as meticulous in their description of their items. thus perhaps your barung is filipino after all. but the two barungs have the traditional silver sleeve, by the way.

i'd really be interested in how juynboll described the barung below. thanks in advance!

Thank you Lorenz!
When looking in the database of the Leiden museum you find several with that broad scabbards. I attached an image of an old photo exposition ca 1885, where also is depicted a barung with similar scabbard.

Unfortunately I don't have the Juynbolls myself, so I am not able to look it up right away. Maybe another forumite can share it with us?

There is one in the Leiden database with a clear punto made of partly horn and partly brass.

Maurice

migueldiaz · 30th November 2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Thank you Lorenz! When looking in the database of the Leiden museum you find several with that broad scabbards. I attached an image of an old photo exposition ca 1885, where also is depicted a barung with similar scabbard.

Unfortunately I don't have the Juynbolls myself, so I am not able to look it up right away. Maybe another forumite can share it with us?

Thanks, Maurice! Would you have a larger version of the photo?

I was able to dig up my copy of Juynboll (bought this from Arjan earlier). Please see attached excerpts. What would be the translation of this, please? Thanks in advance

Atlantia · 30th November 2010, 09:21 AM

It has a lovely shape and form. Reminds me of art-deco furniture! Very stylish

Maurice · 30th November 2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

It has a lovely shape and form. Reminds me of art-deco furniture! Very stylish

Thank you Gene! It is rather simple, but very elegant because of its shape..

Maurice · 30th November 2010, 10:24 AM

I found the real barung which is depicted in the Juynboll that Lorenz posted.

I thought it would be nice to post them together next to eachother ......

asomotif · 30th November 2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

...Reminds me of art-deco furniture!...

Well there is a good tip to get this stuff displayed in the living room

Maurice · 1st December 2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Well there is a good tip to get this stuff displayed in the living room

Yes Willem, how absolutely true!!!!

Maurice · 30th November 2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

Thanks, Maurice! Would you have a larger version of the photo?

I was able to dig up my copy of Juynboll (bought this from Arjan earlier). Please see attached excerpts. What would be the translation of this, please? Thanks in advance

Thank you for posting the Juynboll part!
I will translate it this evening for you, cause I got to run now and have very limited time at the moment.

I did already find some time for the larger version as you asked...

Maurice · 30th November 2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

I was able to dig up my copy of Juynboll (bought this from Arjan earlier). Please see attached excerpts. What would be the translation of this, please? Thanks in advance

OK Lorenz, here we go! I hope you didn't expect too much of it!

1183/135-136. As forward (barong3), the blade pointed oval, the edge chisel-shaped sharpened.
The grip of yellow (135) or brown (136) palmwood, upwards thicker, coated with silver, within many of circular grooves; the upper part in the shape of a triangular, stylized birdhead with peaked beak and long protrusion, at the bottom of the backside crenated; the uppersurface diamondshaped with a centre-rib.
Scabbard of two slabs of (glued) brown wood, at the upperpart broadened with two scalloped curls; no. 136 at the upperside surrounded with ratan strips and decorated with incised curls, and at the outside foreseen of a grooved cross-rib.S.

migueldiaz · 30th November 2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

1183/135-136. As forward (barong3), the blade pointed oval, the edge chisel-shaped sharpened.

Thanks Maurice, for all the pics and info! It's truly much appreciated

The mention of a "chisel-shaped" edge for a barung is interesting. But I do have a shandigan barung that has swollen edge just on one side - thus it appears chisel-edged. I hope I can see that Leiden barung in person one of these days.

When I went to Spain last September, I was actually planning to go to Leiden, too. But I ran out of time -- that is, money

So I'll do it next time, as circumstances will allow.

Thanks again for everything!

Maurice · 1st December 2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

I hope I can see that Leiden barung in person one of these days.
When I went to Spain last September, I was actually planning to go to Leiden, too. But I ran out of time -- that is, money

So I'll do it next time, as circumstances will allow.

Well Lorenz, it is not that you would find actually all this stuff in the expositions in the museum. Most of it is not accesible for public unfortunately.

Maurice · 1st December 2010, 05:29 PM

A friendcollector of mine, and unfortunately ex-member of this forum, has given me permission to post images of his Borneo barung in this thread.

It is really a great piece, and actually there is a similar barung in a museum, but I can't recall which museum it was.
This must be a very scarce type, because in my years of collecting, I only know about this one, and the one in the museum.

Maurice

Maurice · 5th December 2010, 07:14 PM

I think such barung as this one (in my last post) hasn't been discussed in the forum yet (as far as I can see with the search function).....and not one comment at all after 4 days????

Sajen · 5th December 2010, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

A friendcollector of mine, and unfortunately ex-member of this forum, has given me permission to post images of his Borneo barung in this thread.

It is really a great piece, and actually there is a similar barung in a museum, but I can't recall which museum it was.
This must be a very scarce type, because in my years of collecting, I only know about this one, and the one in the museum.

Maurice

This barung is indeed a great piece like nearly all pieces in this collection.

Now I understand why you want to have a similar barung.

30th November 2010, 10:24 AM	#5
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Juynboll versus Leiden database I found the real barung which is depicted in the Juynboll that Lorenz posted. I thought it would be nice to post them together next to eachother ...... Attached Images

1st December 2010, 05:29 PM	#12
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Another Borneo barung shape A friendcollector of mine, and unfortunately ex-member of this forum, has given me permission to post images of his Borneo barung in this thread. It is really a great piece, and actually there is a similar barung in a museum, but I can't recall which museum it was. This must be a very scarce type, because in my years of collecting, I only know about this one, and the one in the museum. Maurice Attached Images

30th November 2010, 09:21 AM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It has a lovely shape and form. Reminds me of art-deco furniture! Very stylish

5th December 2010, 07:14 PM	#13
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	I think such barung as this one (in my last post) hasn't been discussed in the forum yet (as far as I can see with the search function).....and not one comment at all after 4 days????