Sword with Persian style decoration in the Topkapi Saray

B.I · 21st June 2005, 02:53 PM

i'm afraid not aqtai, giorgio dondi specualtes a date of 16th/17thC.
the blade is watered and he thinks it persian. the sword itself was a gift to Vittorio Emanuele III on his diplomatic mission to yemen (i think, its all in italian)

B.I · 21st June 2005, 02:58 PM

very nice image michal. it was this article that i was referring to in my fugger/ausburg note.
i have met claude blair and he is probably the worlds leading arms academic (still alive) and even at his late age, his recollection for data is astonishing. were i to disagree with him, i would first lock myself in a room for many months with a very complete library.

M.carter · 21st June 2005, 03:02 PM

Also, if you havent noticed, there is a golden spot on the blade, which confirms 8th century Ummayad/ Abbasid provenance.

Aqtai · 21st June 2005, 03:09 PM

Thanks B.I. and Wolviex for giving me possible dates and possible places of origin for that style of decoration.

M. Carter, I'm afraid I know very little about Early Islamic swords, so please forgive my ignorance. How does the gold spot confirm Ummayyad/'Abbassid origin?

B.I · 21st June 2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by M.carter

Also, if you havent noticed, there is a golden spot on the blade, which confirms 8th century Ummayad/ Abbasid provenance.

using the word 'confirms' means you've left unstable ground and are now doing a handstand on a tightrope, with the knots slowly loosening

M.carter · 21st June 2005, 03:16 PM

Ok, confirms wasnt a good word (confirming something that old is something almost impossible). Lets say its a sign of 8th century manufacture.

21st June 2005, 02:53 PM	#1
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	i'm afraid not aqtai, giorgio dondi specualtes a date of 16th/17thC. the blade is watered and he thinks it persian. the sword itself was a gift to Vittorio Emanuele III on his diplomatic mission to yemen (i think, its all in italian) Attached Images

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M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Also, if you havent noticed, there is a golden spot on the blade, which confirms 8th century Ummayad/ Abbasid provenance. Attached Images

21st June 2005, 02:58 PM	#2
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	very nice image michal. it was this article that i was referring to in my fugger/ausburg note. i have met claude blair and he is probably the worlds leading arms academic (still alive) and even at his late age, his recollection for data is astonishing. were i to disagree with him, i would first lock myself in a room for many months with a very complete library.

21st June 2005, 03:09 PM	#4
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	Thanks B.I. and Wolviex for giving me possible dates and possible places of origin for that style of decoration. M. Carter, I'm afraid I know very little about Early Islamic swords, so please forgive my ignorance. How does the gold spot confirm Ummayyad/'Abbassid origin?

21st June 2005, 03:16 PM	#6
M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	Ok, confirms wasnt a good word (confirming something that old is something almost impossible). Lets say its a sign of 8th century manufacture.