Interesting Wootz Tulwar for comment

carlitobrigante · 15th November 2010, 03:05 PM

no info i can give mate other than to say nice sword!

Atlantia · 15th November 2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by carlitobrigante

no info i can give mate other than to say nice sword!

Ello mate!

Thank you very much.

Hopefully it will engender some discussion.
Perhaps some daylight pictures will help?

carlitobrigante · 15th November 2010, 08:56 PM

blade looks in very good shape, a nice long blade too..

thats a fair old chunk of wootz going on right there

the silver foil covered hilt uncommon on these? cant remember seeing it before on the admittedly few ive seen.

Atlantia · 15th November 2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by carlitobrigante

blade looks in very good shape, a nice long blade too..

thats a fair old chunk of wootz going on right there

the silver foil covered hilt uncommon on these? cant remember seeing it before on the admittedly few ive seen.

Well, I've had a fully silvered hilt before, but it had a shortened and rather wide european trade blade.
This hilt has really thick silver on it. Sadly there is a lot of bubbles on the other side and inside the top of the disk there are some losses, but I guess it could be worse.
The blade has a strangely 'oval' cross section. It looks well worn at first glance, and the cutting edge looks as though it must have been sharpened many many times.
But when you examine it, there are no signs of sharpening, no deep scratches, it looks like it was made that way. A strange and interesting piece for me.
Compared with some of the pieces we see shown here, it is rather plain and ordinary. But I have faith in its age and it feels like a true warrior.

Best
Gene

Rick · 16th November 2010, 12:13 AM

Yes mate, it could be much worse .

Atlantia · 16th November 2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Yes mate, it could be much worse .

Oooh, that looks interesting Rick

Can we see the whole sword?

Rick · 16th November 2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Oooh, that looks interesting Rick

Can we see the whole sword?

Sure :

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=kirach

Blacksmith · 16th November 2010, 12:23 AM

Hello, I bought a similar tulwar last year when I was traveling in India, from Udaipur, Rajasthan. The blade is like yours with same kind of wootz, mine only has a scarf welding near the hilt. There has been also a silver plating on the hilt, now almost gone. I saw a lot of tulwars like that ( a pile of them...), the blades with "worn out" of style. The seller said ( an antique dealer) that this kind of tulwars are easy to find in Rajasthan and the blade style is typical on Rajasthan tulwars. His opinion was that these are from end of 1700, beginning of 1800. I paid 120 euros of mine..

Rick · 16th November 2010, 02:21 AM

Can you upload some photos of the swords and a close up of each sword's pattern ?

It would be a great contribution to the knowledge base here and would be much appreciated .

Blacksmith · 19th November 2010, 11:21 PM

Hello all and sorry about the delayd answer. I have been a member for a long time but haven`t introduce myself. So, my name is Timo and Im a blacksmith from Finland. I collect indo-persian weapons and I have travelled in India quite a many times, visiting museums and antique stores and collecting information.

Im sorry, but on that day I saw the pile of the swords (it was really a pile, a dozens of tulwars lying on the floor on the back of the antique dealers room) I didn`t have a camera with me. Otherwise I would not regret that so much but I was offered a real rarity and that was something I`l like to have a picture now.
It was a Rajasthani style hilted tulwar with one side of the blade been damascus and other side a nice, clear pattern wootz. Have any ideas how that kind of blade have been made? I have make damascus myself and I know that the welding temperature to make damascus or forge welding is so high that in that temperature you will loose the hardness and the pattern from the wootz.
The dealer asked 6000 euros, but that was way over my travelling budget,though now I think that I should have bought the sword and take a credit card for use..

So, a normal looking tulwar with nice gold koftgari handle and a blade with other side of mechanical damascus and other wootz. Any ideas?

Atlantia · 16th November 2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacksmith

Hello, I bought a similar tulwar last year when I was traveling in India, from Udaipur, Rajasthan. The blade is like yours with same kind of wootz, mine only has a scarf welding near the hilt. There has been also a silver plating on the hilt, now almost gone. I saw a lot of tulwars like that ( a pile of them...), the blades with "worn out" of style. The seller said ( an antique dealer) that this kind of tulwars are easy to find in Rajasthan and the blade style is typical on Rajasthan tulwars. His opinion was that these are from end of 1700, beginning of 1800. I paid 120 euros of mine..

Hi Blacksmith,

Great story! A pile of wootz tulwars! (Where's my passport!!) It would be quite a way to go for me to get some more though

I agree with Rick, I'd love to see it.

Thanks
Gene

Atlantia · 16th November 2010, 11:27 AM

Here are some daylight pictures, note the interesting flaws and joins in the metal.

16th November 2010, 12:13 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Yes mate, it could be much worse . Attached Images

16th November 2010, 11:27 AM	#12
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Here are some daylight pictures, note the interesting flaws and joins in the metal. Attached Images

15th November 2010, 03:05 PM	#1
carlitobrigante Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Solihull, UK Posts: 81	no info i can give mate other than to say nice sword!

15th November 2010, 08:56 PM	#3
carlitobrigante Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Solihull, UK Posts: 81	blade looks in very good shape, a nice long blade too.. thats a fair old chunk of wootz going on right there the silver foil covered hilt uncommon on these? cant remember seeing it before on the admittedly few ive seen.

16th November 2010, 12:23 AM	#8
Blacksmith Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 98	Hello, I bought a similar tulwar last year when I was traveling in India, from Udaipur, Rajasthan. The blade is like yours with same kind of wootz, mine only has a scarf welding near the hilt. There has been also a silver plating on the hilt, now almost gone. I saw a lot of tulwars like that ( a pile of them...), the blades with "worn out" of style. The seller said ( an antique dealer) that this kind of tulwars are easy to find in Rajasthan and the blade style is typical on Rajasthan tulwars. His opinion was that these are from end of 1700, beginning of 1800. I paid 120 euros of mine..

16th November 2010, 02:21 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Can you upload some photos of the swords and a close up of each sword's pattern ? It would be a great contribution to the knowledge base here and would be much appreciated .

19th November 2010, 11:21 PM	#10
Blacksmith Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 98	Hello all and sorry about the delayd answer. I have been a member for a long time but haven`t introduce myself. So, my name is Timo and Im a blacksmith from Finland. I collect indo-persian weapons and I have travelled in India quite a many times, visiting museums and antique stores and collecting information. Im sorry, but on that day I saw the pile of the swords (it was really a pile, a dozens of tulwars lying on the floor on the back of the antique dealers room) I didn`t have a camera with me. Otherwise I would not regret that so much but I was offered a real rarity and that was something I`l like to have a picture now. It was a Rajasthani style hilted tulwar with one side of the blade been damascus and other side a nice, clear pattern wootz. Have any ideas how that kind of blade have been made? I have make damascus myself and I know that the welding temperature to make damascus or forge welding is so high that in that temperature you will loose the hardness and the pattern from the wootz. The dealer asked 6000 euros, but that was way over my travelling budget,though now I think that I should have bought the sword and take a credit card for use.. So, a normal looking tulwar with nice gold koftgari handle and a blade with other side of mechanical damascus and other wootz. Any ideas?