Old postcard with two dancers/warriors....

Atlantia · 13th November 2010, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Gene,

I am not thinking you are making an issue out of it, and I am neither making an issue out of it and am sorry if it seemed like I do in my former posting.
I think I expressed it wrong what I meant.

I can understand the image can fall hard on an empty stomach to people.
But I have read a lot of dayaks and their customs, and therefore also of headhunting. And I think I have seen a lot of skulls on images in books, museums and even also in private collections, that I might became immune of these kind of images, and think they are interesting and fascinating, not because of the severed heads, but because of the reflection of headhunting and what it was all about.
I have seen images much worse and also made in present days, where people where killed because of aggression or evil persons, and not because the "adat" tells them to do so..

Regards,
Maurice

Your points are well made maurice.
Thank you for explaining them. You have a not offended me my friend, I am glad I have not offended you.

Best
Gene

Maurice · 13th November 2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Your points are well made maurice.
Thank you for explaining them. You have a not offended me my friend, I am glad I have not offended you.

Best
Gene

Hi Gene,

It takes a lot more to get me offended, and I am happy you aren't also.
Here another image, to keep up the good spirit, which I am sure you like a lot more.

It is a very old image, made around 1870, and also from Celebes.
It is a warrior of Manado (watch the spear)....

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Mytribalworld · 13th November 2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Gene,

It takes a lot more to get me offended, and I am happy you aren't also.
Here another image, to keep up the good spirit, which I am sure you like a lot more.

It is a very old image, made around 1870, and also from Celebes.
It is a warrior of Manado (watch the spear)....

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Hi Maurice,

what is the original decription of the image?

Mandao means that it could be a Minahassan warrior.
his hat shows also like that.
not that he is likely not used how to handle the shield course he held it upsidedown, so I think it can also be a studio photo.

regards,

Arjan

Maurice · 13th November 2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Maurice,

what is the original decription of the image?

Mandao means that it could be a Minahassan warrior.
his hat shows also like that.
not that he is likely not used how to handle the shield course he held it upsidedown, so I think it can also be a studio photo.

regards,

Arjan

Hi Arjan ,

The original description is as following: "De eerste voorvechter van Manado."
It is an image of Woodbury and Page, ca. 1870.
I think you are right about the studio photo, because the man is standing in front of a white cloth...

According to wikipedia "Manado", in colonial period called "Menado", is the capital city of "Sulawesi Utara (northern province), on Sulawesi island.

Kind Regards,
Maurice

asomotif · 14th November 2010, 12:11 AM

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Do you mind posting a picture in this thread?

Pfew, I don't mind, but spears are terrible to take pictures of.

VANDOO · 14th November 2010, 03:06 AM

COOL LOOKING SPEAR IT REMINDS ME MOST OF THE SPEARS WITH HAIR THE NAGA USE. THE USE OF HAIR ON KAMPILIANS AND QUITE A FEW SWORDS FROM THE REGION COME TO MIND TOO. HERE ARE A FEW OLD PICTURES FROM CELEBES, CERAM, TORAJA, AND PERHAPS BORNEO. AND A PICTURE OF A DAYAK ORANG ULU CEREMONIAL HAT PERHAPS SIMULAR TO SOME IN SOME PICTURES WITHOUT ANY FEATHERS ? ENJOY

Maurice · 14th November 2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Pfew, I don't mind, but spears are terrible to take pictures of.

Very nice spear: Thanks for posting the image Willem!

asomotif · 14th November 2010, 10:57 PM

I found quite a lot of Sulawesi lances on the RMV website.
Here are some examples that are similar to the one on the postcard.

Atlantia · 13th November 2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Gene,

It takes a lot more to get me offended, and I am happy you aren't also.
Here another image, to keep up the good spirit, which I am sure you like a lot more.

It is a very old image, made around 1870, and also from Celebes.
It is a warrior of Manado (watch the spear)....

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Thats a fantastic picture! What a grand gentleman he is.

14th November 2010, 03:06 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	COOL LOOKING SPEAR IT REMINDS ME MOST OF THE SPEARS WITH HAIR THE NAGA USE. THE USE OF HAIR ON KAMPILIANS AND QUITE A FEW SWORDS FROM THE REGION COME TO MIND TOO. HERE ARE A FEW OLD PICTURES FROM CELEBES, CERAM, TORAJA, AND PERHAPS BORNEO. AND A PICTURE OF A DAYAK ORANG ULU CEREMONIAL HAT PERHAPS SIMULAR TO SOME IN SOME PICTURES WITHOUT ANY FEATHERS ? ENJOY Attached Images

14th November 2010, 10:57 PM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	I found quite a lot of Sulawesi lances on the RMV website. Here are some examples that are similar to the one on the postcard. Attached Images