Moro Spear

Jentayu · 9th November 2010, 11:50 AM

Its Jawi. Its quite difficult to decipher the words but it looks like the last two words are names of two "Dato" or "chieftains".

"......Dato Jamil ......kan (verb) Dato' Hasim". I guess Jawi expert can put more light into this.

Gavin Nugent · 9th November 2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jentayu

Its Jawi. Its quite difficult to decipher the words but it looks like the last two words are names of two "Dato" or "chieftains".

"......Dato Jamil ......kan (verb) Dato' Hasim". I guess Jawi expert can put more light into this.

Outstanding and thank you Jentayu, this wonderful start is greatly appreciated.

Hopefully another can complete the mystery....though if not I will try to find the time to show this to the linguistics dept of the QLD Uni and perhaps there is someone there who can read it all...again Jentayu, fantastic!!!

Looking at the Wiki Jawi link it appears this angle for translation maybe more suitable

Gav

Nathaniel · 10th November 2010, 04:52 AM

(Whistling!!!) Wow, what a looker!

BigG · 14th November 2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

Outstanding and thank you Jentayu, this wonderful start is greatly appreciated.

Hopefully another can complete the mystery....though if not I will try to find the time to show this to the linguistics dept of the QLD Uni and perhaps there is someone there who can read it all...again Jentayu, fantastic!!!

Looking at the Wiki Jawi link it appears this angle for translation maybe more suitable

Gav

5 of the first letterings on the second line from the right has the equivalent of the consonant sounds of (N-K-R) (K-N) it could thus be read as "nukar-kan" ie "to change"... or " to replace ".

Therefore the 2nd line might read "nukarkan datu Hashim" ie "to replace datu Hashim"

I cnt make out the 1st half of the top line from the right... but the 2nd half reads as datu (Jamil)?... so it can read from the 2nd half onwards from the top to the bottom as "Datu Jamil(?) nukarkan Datu Hashim" or "Datu Jamil(?) to replace (or) has replaced Datu Hashim"... please verify this with an expert though...

Gavin Nugent · 14th November 2010, 11:09 PM

BigG!!! Outstanding!!! Thank you!!!

This new dimension, although as you suggest BigG, awaiting expert assesment, in the context you noted certainly adds a wonderful historical apect to this spear!
It seems like a changing of the guard to to speak....and for it to me marked on the twistcore spear head...this really must have been important...this really is getting interesting.

THANK YOU

Gav

BigG · 15th November 2010, 10:19 AM

glad to help... but really get an expert verification as even tho much of the languages of the philipines are dialects of Malay... it is not exactly like the Standard Malay I know...

Gavin Nugent · 17th November 2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigG

glad to help... but really get an expert verification as even tho much of the languages of the philipines are dialects of Malay... it is not exactly like the Standard Malay I know...

Will do for sure BigG, I know I am as others are currently looking for confirmation on Jentayu and your work.
Greatly appreciated, I don't think this is seen very often on Moro weaponry.
Completed work will be published when it comes to light...

Gav

14th November 2010, 11:09 PM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	BigG!!! BigG!!! Outstanding!!! Thank you!!! This new dimension, although as you suggest BigG, awaiting expert assesment, in the context you noted certainly adds a wonderful historical apect to this spear! It seems like a changing of the guard to to speak....and for it to me marked on the twistcore spear head...this really must have been important...this really is getting interesting. THANK YOU Gav Last edited by freebooter; 15th November 2010 at 01:37 AM.

9th November 2010, 11:50 AM	#1
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Its Jawi. Its quite difficult to decipher the words but it looks like the last two words are names of two "Dato" or "chieftains". "......Dato Jamil ......kan (verb) Dato' Hasim". I guess Jawi expert can put more light into this.

10th November 2010, 04:52 AM	#3
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	(Whistling!!!) Wow, what a looker!

15th November 2010, 10:19 AM	#6
BigG Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 75	glad to help... but really get an expert verification as even tho much of the languages of the philipines are dialects of Malay... it is not exactly like the Standard Malay I know...