Ottoman Turkish inscription: Need single word translated

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by TVV

Accounts of the Gallipoli campaign do not suggest the Entente soldiers had plenty of time to go about souvenir collecting, as they barely held a foothold, before being driven out with terrible losses.

I would think a more likely story would be a British traveller in the area, perhaps even prior to the Great War. If we assume, of course that the kindjal made the journey North-West a century or so ago, and not as a collectible in more modern times.

Regards,
Teodor

Hi Teodor,


It comes to something when the only part of a campaign that size that went well was the retreat!
I would much rather it was a gift or peacetime bringback.

Best
Gene

[Atlantia]

Well I'm going for all the long shots now, so just in case someone who is reading this but isn't registered can help with the translation, I can be reached by email at: gimmieitbaby@aol.com
Thanks
Gene

[Battara]

Atlantia, I will tell you that probably all but 1 piece in my Philippine collection was brought back from US soldiers during the Philippine-American War and Moro Wars, where hundreds of thousands of Filipinos and Moros died, making many of the pieces I have or had being off the bodies of dead Filipinos.

I still collect for the artwork and history involved. This includes remembering the honored dead on all sides.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Battara

Atlantia, I will tell you that probably all but 1 piece in my Philippine collection was brought back from US soldiers during the Philippine-American War and Moro Wars, where hundreds of thousands of Filipinos and Moros died, making many of the pieces I have or had being off the bodies of dead Filipinos.

I still collect for the artwork and history involved. This includes remembering the honored dead on all sides.

It's often the way here too, many foreign weapons are trophies brought back from conflicts past.
I think It's important to remember the context in which these may have or definately did come to us.
These things we collect besides everything else, are often 'moments' in history.

On a lighter note, I've just sent pictures of a the sword to a collector/seller in Georgia, so if there is a slim chance that (as has been suggested) the name is of Georgian origin, then hopefull this will tell me.

[Atlantia]

Georgian collector says not Georgian. He says its Arabic.
So the plot thickens!
So, to recap. We've had suggestions that it might be Turkish, Georgian, or Arabic. But every time I show it to someone who reads one of those languages, they say they think the missing word is one of the other options.
So frustrating, I'm pretty confused at this point

P.S. I wonder if it could be a abbreviated name? Do arabic characters lend themselves to being written in the form of a monogram?

[Atlantia]

BUMP, Anyone?
Still no answers on this one

[Atlantia]

A kind chap who has been trying to help with this has had the following idea. Perhaps it can help lead us to an answer:

Originally Posted by Rahil A.

The only word that come to my mind for the missing word is بحر which means ocean, sea!

I know its a stretch, but could our maker have been a second generation foreign bladesmith with a name that hinted at his foreign heritage?
As in 'from across the sea' or similar?

Regards
Gene