Interesting wootz tulwar for comments

Atlantia · 23rd October 2010, 04:42 PM

RSWORD,

Thanks a lot

Thats great news and thanks for explaining the features of the blade.

LEW/RSWORD,

I saw this sword a week ago, great condition but completely cleaned, very carefully with what looks to have been 00 wire wool. Must have taken someone a while, no real scratches, but no patina remaining at all except for the underside of the quillions, which are not pitted but dark brown from surface oxidisation.
I checked and the hilt has not been recently added (the resin looks right and old, there are of course no traces of decoration apart from the pierced area. Also no crosshatching or engraving indicating that it was once more elaborate, but the hilt feels wonderful to hold.

I had a strong feeling that the blade would be wootz, and at the first touch of an etch the wootz sprung immediately to life.
Not on the hilt though sadly.

Best and thanks for your help
Gene

P>S. so now this blade is ID'd as Persian, what would this wootz pattern be called?

Lew · 23rd October 2010, 05:24 PM

Gene

What I mean about the hilt is that it might be late 19th century but still not original to the blade which may have had a more fancy hilt?

Atlantia · 23rd October 2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lew

Gene

What I mean about the hilt is that it might be late 19th century but still not original to the blade which may have had a more fancy hilt?

Good point mate, could be

Dom · 24th October 2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

P>S. so now this blade is ID'd as Persian, what would this wootz pattern be called?

Hi
according with the book;
"Weapons of the Islamic World" subtitle: "Swords & Armour"?
It is published by the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies, Riyadh, KSA
- refers to damascus/wootz as "al-johar"
it's under that appelation that in Middle-East the "Persian wootz" its called

à +

Dom

Atlantia · 24th October 2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi
according with the book;
"Weapons of the Islamic World" subtitle: "Swords & Armour"?
It is published by the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies, Riyadh, KSA
- refers to damascus/wootz as "al-johar"
it's under that appelation that in Middle-East the "Persian wootz" its called

à +

Dom

Hi Dom,
Thanks for your help.
So Johar is a generic term for all 'wootz'?
Does this pattern have a specific name or meaning? Does it represent water, or is it just random?

'shukran'
Gene

Dom · 24th October 2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

So Johar is a generic term for all 'wootz'?
Does this pattern have a specific name or meaning? Does it represent water, or is it just random?

'shukran'
Gene

"afwan" Gene

Djohar should (?) means "a high quality" in Farsi
but my translator, told me it's come from the arabic word "ga'howara"
meaning; "precious" like precious stone, diamond ... we reach the Farsi meaning

à +

Dom

Atlantia · 24th October 2010, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

"afwan" Gene

Djohar should (?) means "a high quality" in Farsi
but my translator, told me it's come from the arabic word "ga'howara"
meaning; "precious" like precious stone, diamond ... we reach the Farsi meaning

à +

Dom

Thank you my friend. As always, you have increased my understanding.

23rd October 2010, 04:42 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	RSWORD, Thanks a lot Thats great news and thanks for explaining the features of the blade. LEW/RSWORD, I saw this sword a week ago, great condition but completely cleaned, very carefully with what looks to have been 00 wire wool. Must have taken someone a while, no real scratches, but no patina remaining at all except for the underside of the quillions, which are not pitted but dark brown from surface oxidisation. I checked and the hilt has not been recently added (the resin looks right and old, there are of course no traces of decoration apart from the pierced area. Also no crosshatching or engraving indicating that it was once more elaborate, but the hilt feels wonderful to hold. I had a strong feeling that the blade would be wootz, and at the first touch of an etch the wootz sprung immediately to life. Not on the hilt though sadly. Best and thanks for your help Gene P>S. so now this blade is ID'd as Persian, what would this wootz pattern be called?

23rd October 2010, 05:24 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Gene What I mean about the hilt is that it might be late 19th century but still not original to the blade which may have had a more fancy hilt?