A composed Malay keris; is it matching?

[Jean]

Hi Dom,
I was logical since I corrected to 1373 in my latest thread and I don't mind to be wrong but would like the confirmation from a Maly member just for my reference.
Best regards
Jean

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Sajen
you are correct, it's 1272 that we should read
that way of writting is formal, and the script is conform

if the writing is "current" we could found the number 3 written as Jean thinks,
but here we are not in this case, it must be formal

if Jean, was logic he could read 1373 and not 1372
any way, on my point of view it's a wrong interpretation ... sorry Jean

Best Regards

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Dom

[Sajen]

Hi Jean,

I have seek after the information here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabisches_Alphabet

Maybe this is helpful for you.

Best regards,

Detlef

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Jean

the confirmation from a Maly member just for my reference.

Hi Jean
please proceed, but what best reference than from an native Arab, Arabic speaker
as far as it's concerning Arabic language

best regards

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Dom

[David]

I am certainly no expert on Aribic, but it should be kept in mind that regardless of the date, it is not really any solid proof of when this silver work was actually done. The date could be merely commemorative....or it might not even be a date at all.

[Sajen]

I also don't mind to be wrong (I think we all have been wrong one time) but I think when we translate a date it should be correct, this have been my interest. And I am sure we can believe Dom by this.
Of course it may be possible that the date not certainly the date when the silver work was been done but the accepting is nearby. I have tried to take some pictures of the keris from the book and I hope that it is to seen that the style is so similar that it may be possible that it have been the same artist. This pendok is also dated in the same way. The date is 1281 AH = 1864 AD. There is a time difference from only 9 years so it's really possible that it have been the same artist and that the date is the date of fabrication.

[Dom]

to illustre how the engraver is writting
here a date (funny) wrote in Arabic, but following the gregorian calendar

the 2 and the 3 are well recognizable



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Dom

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

I hope that it is to seen that the style is so similar that it may be possible that it have been the same artist.

Yes, that's also a nice keris!

However, if you look closely at the embossing work as well as the date engraving, there are also obvious differences. I doubt that we can trace this back to the same workshop much less the same artisan despite the similar date applied.

Regards,
Kai

[David]

Please excuse this westerners ignorance, but isn't Arabic usually read from right to left? Is it different for numbers?

[Dom]

Originally Posted by David

Please excuse this westerners ignorance, but isn't Arabic usually read from right to left? Is it different for numbers?

Hi David
don't mention,
yes, it's different and cause of a lot of error, even for the Arab
coze we mention
- in first the "thousand"
- then the hundred,
- then the units,
- and at last the 'tenth"
and from left to right,
while the text is read from right to left

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Dom

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Detlef,


Yes, that's also a nice keris!

However, if you look closely at the embossing work as well as the date engraving, there are also obvious differences. I doubt that we can trace this back to the same workshop much less the same artisan despite the similar date applied.

Regards,
Kai

Of course this have been a speculative guess!