Burmese story dha restored by Battara

RhysMichael · 14th June 2005, 03:06 PM

Wow that looks great Andrew. Now we need to find someone to translate the story. I have been told they are often Buddist parables

Andrew · 14th June 2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RhysMichael

Wow that looks great Andrew. Now we need to find someone to translate the story. I have been told they are often Buddist parables

I'm dying to have these swords translated! I have also read (can't recall where, specifically) that the "stories" are Buddhist. The panels at the forte may be much more interesting.

I'll post pix of the knife you sold me for comparison, as the story that appears there is different than any I've personally seen. It actually depicts a forge.

Ian · 14th June 2005, 11:52 PM

Excellent dha Andrew and, as usual, Battara has done a great job with the repairs/restoration work. I'll be interested to hear the translation of the "story."

The silver inlay work on the blade is very crisp on this example, a feature that I think is a guide to the level of skill of the silver smith and the overall quality of the sword.

Ian.

Battara · 15th June 2005, 06:48 PM

Thank you so much for your comments.

I'm so glad that Andrew is pleased with the results. When I got the piece, the very top was squashed and coming off, so I had to replace it with a dome shape I made and placed wire I twisted (like me

) around the bottom it, the same wire that I used to cover the base of the pommel which was a 1/4-1/2 inche of lead. The silver collars of the top and bottom of the ivory part were dented and I had to get these out as well. Speaking of the ivory part, this was covered with adhesive that was difficult to take off also.

Andrew asked me to darken the background of the blade to bring out the silver. I tried a blackening solution, but that worked for a while until it began to later rust out the background metal. So I turned to something completely different - permanent India ink. No rust there.

Ah the scabbard.......This was fun.......the bands were darkened brass and very rough on the surface. Interspaced between each band, as Andrew stated, were bands of brass wire held in place by pitch. I took all of that off and, per Andrew, replaced them with silver wire. I then reshaped the large brass bands, cleaned them and polished them (again per Andrew) and made a silver top and bottom chape. The original top chape had a tin flat plate that was uneven and warped. I just soft soldered a new silver plate to the top chape band (because I made it fit too well).

In the middle of all of this Andrew sent me a dha dagger that was the "little Bro" of the dha sword and I did the same type of stuff to it to match. I did, however, have to pull off the upside down ivory handle and reattach it.

All of this took a while and I was a little rushed because I wanted to get this all to Andrew for Timonium (and get some money to bring to the show

). But all in all, no one was destroyed in the making of this product.

Oh, BTW - I did try to get pictures in process, but my el cheapo camera did not take pictures worth printing.

Next on Santa's list: a digital camera and enter the 21st century.

Andrew · 15th June 2005, 07:53 PM

India ink! I had forgotten about that bit.

I'll post up pix of the small, matching dha later tonight.

Jose, is it common for brass to polish up so white, or does this have a high white-metal content to it (tin?)?

The fault failing to get pre-restoration photos is mine: I can't believe I didn't snap some before sending it to you.

Maybe we can work out a trade for a digi-cam on the next project.....

Ian · 15th June 2005, 08:27 PM

Silver over brass is also possible, with some thinning of the top silver layer. I've noticed this before on Burmese swords and scabbards.

Ian.

Battara · 15th June 2005, 09:07 PM

In this case the bands are brass, perhaps with more tin and less copper. I tested the bands in the process. No silver content in them what-so-ever, not even an over lay. Yes, some brass shines up very near white metal when the copper content is lower. I would place these as inbetween white metal and yellow brass. The more copper content, the redder and/or yellower it becomes. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference at first glance between newely shined whiter brass, silver, and white metal.

Mark · 15th June 2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

I'm dying to have these swords translated! I have also read (can't recall where, specifically) that the "stories" are Buddhist. The panels at the forte may be much more interesting.

I'll post pix of the knife you sold me for comparison, as the story that appears there is different than any I've personally seen. It actually depicts a forge.

A forge? I bet I know what that one is. Remember that monograph on the iron & steel industry in turn-of-the-century Burma that I sent you a while back? There is a story in there of the Burmese "father of smithing" (sort of a Vulcan-like figure -- the Roman god, not Spock!). He was big and strong and married a princess, but the king got jealous and had him killed. The author says that it is a common theme on story dha, but I have never seen one I was sure showed it. I will look up the specifics when I get home tonight.

The stories are scenes from Buddhist Jattaka (stories of the life of Gautama Buddha, and I think of his previous lives as well), as well as stories from Burmese folklore (like the swordsmith one). I am pursuing leads for translation in Burma. Slowly, unfortunately.

CharlesS · 16th June 2005, 12:59 AM

I remember seeing this in March. Gorgeous piece, and beautifully restored!!

Mark · 17th June 2005, 11:26 PM

I found the story of the Burmese "patron saint" of smiths. I had a few details wrong (the king married into the smith's family, not the other way around), but here it is.

“Maung Tin De, the legendary hero of the Popa myth, is represented as a blacksmith of prodigious strength. His date by the chronicles is the fourth century A.D. The son of a blacksmith, Maung Tin De could wield in his right hand a twenty-five viss hammer, and a twenty-viss hammer in his left: and under his blows the anvil roared like thunder and all the people around were struck with panic. His great power was a source of fear to the King of Tagaung where he lived, who to secure himself married his beautiful sister Saw Me Ya, and afterwards seized by treachery the smith, whose funeral pyre was shared by his sister: the pair of them thereafter became the most powerful Nats, the Mahagiri Maung Hnama Daw of Popa.” Bell, E.N., A Monograph on Iron and Steel Work in Burma, Superintendent of Printing, Rangoon (1907), p. 2.

Mt. Popa is an extinct volcano closeby the old Burmese capital Pagan, and is the legendary birthplace of smithing (as an early source of iron ore). A viss is a unit of measure used throughout SEA, but I can't remember its equivalent in grams or ounces. Tagoung was a pre-Pagan Burmese kingdom, and Nats are guardian spirits pre-dating Buddhism in Burma, and still greatly revered.

I am willing to wager that it is the story of Maung Tin De that is on your dha, Andrew.

14th June 2005, 03:06 PM	#1
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Wow that looks great Andrew. Now we need to find someone to translate the story. I have been told they are often Buddist parables

14th June 2005, 11:52 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Excellent dha Andrew and, as usual, Battara has done a great job with the repairs/restoration work. I'll be interested to hear the translation of the "story." The silver inlay work on the blade is very crisp on this example, a feature that I think is a guide to the level of skill of the silver smith and the overall quality of the sword. Ian.

15th June 2005, 06:48 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Thank you so much for your comments. I'm so glad that Andrew is pleased with the results. When I got the piece, the very top was squashed and coming off, so I had to replace it with a dome shape I made and placed wire I twisted (like me ) around the bottom it, the same wire that I used to cover the base of the pommel which was a 1/4-1/2 inche of lead. The silver collars of the top and bottom of the ivory part were dented and I had to get these out as well. Speaking of the ivory part, this was covered with adhesive that was difficult to take off also. Andrew asked me to darken the background of the blade to bring out the silver. I tried a blackening solution, but that worked for a while until it began to later rust out the background metal. So I turned to something completely different - permanent India ink. No rust there. Ah the scabbard.......This was fun.......the bands were darkened brass and very rough on the surface. Interspaced between each band, as Andrew stated, were bands of brass wire held in place by pitch. I took all of that off and, per Andrew, replaced them with silver wire. I then reshaped the large brass bands, cleaned them and polished them (again per Andrew) and made a silver top and bottom chape. The original top chape had a tin flat plate that was uneven and warped. I just soft soldered a new silver plate to the top chape band (because I made it fit too well). In the middle of all of this Andrew sent me a dha dagger that was the "little Bro" of the dha sword and I did the same type of stuff to it to match. I did, however, have to pull off the upside down ivory handle and reattach it. All of this took a while and I was a little rushed because I wanted to get this all to Andrew for Timonium (and get some money to bring to the show ). But all in all, no one was destroyed in the making of this product. Oh, BTW - I did try to get pictures in process, but my el cheapo camera did not take pictures worth printing. Next on Santa's list: a digital camera and enter the 21st century.

15th June 2005, 07:53 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	India ink! I had forgotten about that bit. I'll post up pix of the small, matching dha later tonight. Jose, is it common for brass to polish up so white, or does this have a high white-metal content to it (tin?)? The fault failing to get pre-restoration photos is mine: I can't believe I didn't snap some before sending it to you. Maybe we can work out a trade for a digi-cam on the next project.....

15th June 2005, 08:27 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Silver over brass is also possible, with some thinning of the top silver layer. I've noticed this before on Burmese swords and scabbards. Ian.

15th June 2005, 09:07 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	In this case the bands are brass, perhaps with more tin and less copper. I tested the bands in the process. No silver content in them what-so-ever, not even an over lay. Yes, some brass shines up very near white metal when the copper content is lower. I would place these as inbetween white metal and yellow brass. The more copper content, the redder and/or yellower it becomes. Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference at first glance between newely shined whiter brass, silver, and white metal.

16th June 2005, 12:59 AM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I remember seeing this in March. Gorgeous piece, and beautifully restored!!

17th June 2005, 11:26 PM	#10
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I found the story of the Burmese "patron saint" of smiths. I had a few details wrong (the king married into the smith's family, not the other way around), but here it is. “Maung Tin De, the legendary hero of the Popa myth, is represented as a blacksmith of prodigious strength. His date by the chronicles is the fourth century A.D. The son of a blacksmith, Maung Tin De could wield in his right hand a twenty-five viss hammer, and a twenty-viss hammer in his left: and under his blows the anvil roared like thunder and all the people around were struck with panic. His great power was a source of fear to the King of Tagaung where he lived, who to secure himself married his beautiful sister Saw Me Ya, and afterwards seized by treachery the smith, whose funeral pyre was shared by his sister: the pair of them thereafter became the most powerful Nats, the Mahagiri Maung Hnama Daw of Popa.” Bell, E.N., A Monograph on Iron and Steel Work in Burma, Superintendent of Printing, Rangoon (1907), p. 2. Mt. Popa is an extinct volcano closeby the old Burmese capital Pagan, and is the legendary birthplace of smithing (as an early source of iron ore). A viss is a unit of measure used throughout SEA, but I can't remember its equivalent in grams or ounces. Tagoung was a pre-Pagan Burmese kingdom, and Nats are guardian spirits pre-dating Buddhism in Burma, and still greatly revered. I am willing to wager that it is the story of Maung Tin De that is on your dha, Andrew.