Lance head/ spear point for ID

asomotif · 8th September 2010, 07:36 PM

Thanks Battara for the reaction.

Considering it looks weird to you means that I can rule out Philipine/Moro origin ?

The holes in the blade remind of Borneo blades that sometimes have holes near the base.
But those blades are much simpler. often not laminated.
Any ideas ?

Thanks and best regards,
Willem

Maurice · 8th September 2010, 08:13 PM

Hi Willem,

I don't know about this lance head.
But I have seen the images of the spears from the collection of Thorkild Moller, who had collected pieces from Borneo which were confiscated in the early '20's.
And believe me, there were awesome pieces, also with pamor if I recall it rightly...

Maurice

Henk · 8th September 2010, 10:25 PM

Willem,

Very nice. I think it is javanese. I would say a tombak or pike.
I found a picture on the internet. I think it should look like this one.

asomotif · 8th September 2010, 11:38 PM

Hello Henk,

Thanks for your input.
But javanese with the square tang and also this rather large size.
The 34 cms is excluding the tang.

I have not seen javanese tombak in such style and size. (yet)

Best regards,
Willem

Henk · 8th September 2010, 11:58 PM

Willem,

someone has to be the first

kai · 9th September 2010, 02:13 AM

Hello Willem,

This looks like post-WW2 work to me - non-traditional stuff can be tough to place: I'd guess Indonesia but wouldn't rule out Philippines (certainly not traditional Moro though) nor Malaysia.

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 9th September 2010, 04:51 PM

Hi Willem,

my guess is that it is from Indonesia, the turned tang seems typical. But from which island/ethnic I don't know.

But I think that it is pre-WW2. By which reason someone shall have forged a spear- or lance head with not bad accomplishment after WW2?

Regards,

Detlef

8th September 2010, 10:25 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Willem, Very nice. I think it is javanese. I would say a tombak or pike. I found a picture on the internet. I think it should look like this one. Attached Images

8th September 2010, 07:36 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Thanks Battara for the reaction. Considering it looks weird to you means that I can rule out Philipine/Moro origin ? The holes in the blade remind of Borneo blades that sometimes have holes near the base. But those blades are much simpler. often not laminated. Any ideas ? Thanks and best regards, Willem

8th September 2010, 08:13 PM	#2
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	Hi Willem, I don't know about this lance head. But I have seen the images of the spears from the collection of Thorkild Moller, who had collected pieces from Borneo which were confiscated in the early '20's. And believe me, there were awesome pieces, also with pamor if I recall it rightly... Maurice

8th September 2010, 11:38 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hello Henk, Thanks for your input. But javanese with the square tang and also this rather large size. The 34 cms is excluding the tang. I have not seen javanese tombak in such style and size. (yet) Best regards, Willem

8th September 2010, 11:58 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Willem, someone has to be the first

9th September 2010, 02:13 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Willem, This looks like post-WW2 work to me - non-traditional stuff can be tough to place: I'd guess Indonesia but wouldn't rule out Philippines (certainly not traditional Moro though) nor Malaysia. Regards, Kai

9th September 2010, 04:51 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	Hi Willem, my guess is that it is from Indonesia, the turned tang seems typical. But from which island/ethnic I don't know. But I think that it is pre-WW2. By which reason someone shall have forged a spear- or lance head with not bad accomplishment after WW2? Regards, Detlef