Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited

erikscollectables · 2nd September 2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I was wondering, what about triple silver crowns?

Me too. What I can say that in the first picture in this thread there are two that are silver and never have been gilded.

I think gilded silver has to do with the amount of money available - the would have liked to have gold but did not have the money.

The two I have may have a different cultural/ethnic background. The one with ivory is Gajo (Gayo) for certain the other is probably as well from that region (use of suassa and colour of the sheath hint at that.

I think in Aceh the use of silver was frowned upon - this might have been different in the Gayo area. The one with ivory seems a ritual or status piece and is very big in size - not very practical to wear or handle I think for the regular length of people then and there.

Regards, Erik

asomotif · 2nd September 2010, 04:16 PM

Hi Erik,

I must say that the silver handle from Battara (in the link above) shows much less detail than similar handles in gold. So besides the lack of money maybe this silver rentjong is also from a later date ? (no offense intended, just imho)

Best regards,
Willem

erikscollectables · 2nd September 2010, 05:18 PM

The one does not have to exclude the other

I still think it is a money question but next to this these type of rentjongs were produced at least into the 40s for ceremonial use like on weddings etc from what I know. Wear still limited to those allowed by adat.

The silver handle I have has great detail - inlay with enamal in good quality and a diamond on top. That is late 19th or early 20th century IMHO. It is the second one in the link mentioned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Erik,

I must say that the silver handle from Battara (in the link above) shows much less detail than similar handles in gold. So besides the lack of money maybe this silver rentjong is also from a later date ? (no offense intended, just imho)

Best regards,
Willem

Battara · 3rd September 2010, 02:16 AM

OH Asomotif, no offense taken. I would not be surprised if it were later. Perhaps a wedding rencong from an adjacent place. No idea. Guess I just want to know where my silver one would be in the pecking order of things since obviously the gold crowns signify at least high nobility.

Battara · 29th May 2011, 08:27 PM

Have another question regarding gold crowned rencong:

Are the scabbards supposed to have 2 gold bands on them?

Jonno · 29th May 2011, 09:33 PM

I have never seen gold bands, many silver and some suasa.
But I think it will be possible.

You can find some other examples on:
http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa.../Rentjong.html

Battara · 30th May 2011, 12:22 AM

Thank you Jonno. Great site - yes I have seen one with suassa and several with silver. One gold crowned rencong on the site had 4 silver bands on it!

Very helpful.

2nd September 2010, 04:16 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Hi Erik, I must say that the silver handle from Battara (in the link above) shows much less detail than similar handles in gold. So besides the lack of money maybe this silver rentjong is also from a later date ? (no offense intended, just imho) Best regards, Willem

3rd September 2010, 02:16 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,307	OH Asomotif, no offense taken. I would not be surprised if it were later. Perhaps a wedding rencong from an adjacent place. No idea. Guess I just want to know where my silver one would be in the pecking order of things since obviously the gold crowns signify at least high nobility.

29th May 2011, 08:27 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,307	Have another question regarding gold crowned rencong: Are the scabbards supposed to have 2 gold bands on them?

29th May 2011, 09:33 PM	#6
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	I have never seen gold bands, many silver and some suasa. But I think it will be possible. You can find some other examples on: http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa.../Rentjong.html

30th May 2011, 12:22 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,307	Thank you Jonno. Great site - yes I have seen one with suassa and several with silver. One gold crowned rencong on the site had 4 silver bands on it! Very helpful.