Just Ended On Ebay

Robert · 1st September 2010, 06:40 AM

I totally agree, but would have still liked to have added it to my collection.

Atlantia · 1st September 2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

I totally agree, but would have still liked to have added it to my collection.

Robert,
These are your study, so do you think this is just a particularly attractive example bringing a high premium, or do you think there is something else going on?

Best
Gene

Robert · 1st September 2010, 04:37 PM

Hello Gene,
Either a couple of collectors fighting over a very nice example of a rare form of dagger a "tres cantos" or a couple of people got caught in the sellers hype.

Without the buyers opinion and comments it would be impossible for me to say

Like Dimasalang, I think that without any definite history or background it would be hard to justify that much money for this item.

Robert

Battara · 1st September 2010, 09:17 PM

I must admit like Dimasalang, I go for sun faces, rays, 3 stars, etc., anything that are direct katipunan/first republic symbols (and of course lots and lots of silver

).

migueldiaz · 2nd September 2010, 03:13 PM

I feel too that it's a Phil. piece, for reasons already mentioned. As to the lack of Katipunan markings, I'm guessing that perhaps it's because it was made before or after those tumultuous years (i.e., 1896-1898 Phil. Revolution, and 1899-1902 Phil.-American War).

This beautiful piece reminds of the one that got away (sample pics are below, for convenience) ... sorry to remind you, Dimasalang!

On the 'x' over the diamond motif on the ferrule, am not too sure but I think I've seen that in some old Phil. potteries. I've leafed through some of my books but can't find where I saw that design. But I'm no expert on potteries. Maybe Nacho can comment if he sees this thread ...

Battara · 3rd September 2010, 02:09 AM

Oh yes, I've drooled......er.........seen this one before.

You have a good point (like the one on top of my head

) in that the first one may have been made prior to the official founding of the first republic, making it possibly high ranking Katipunan if so.

M ELEY · 3rd September 2010, 04:59 AM

As a naval collector, I never thought it was a dirk, but I did wonder if it might have been Spanish colonial with Phil. influences. That might explain the high bidding, as Spanish bowies seem to fetch as much as U.S. ones do. I am in total agreement that it is in all liklihood a Phil. piece, very nicely made, but ohhh the price!

Dimasalang · 3rd September 2010, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by migueldiaz

I feel too that it's a Phil. piece, for reasons already mentioned. As to the lack of Katipunan markings, I'm guessing that perhaps it's because it was made before or after those tumultuous years (i.e., 1896-1898 Phil. Revolution, and 1899-1902 Phil.-American War).

This beautiful piece reminds of the one that got away (sample pics are below, for convenience) ... sorry to remind you, Dimasalang!

1st September 2010, 04:37 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Gene, Either a couple of collectors fighting over a very nice example of a rare form of dagger a "tres cantos" or a couple of people got caught in the sellers hype. Without the buyers opinion and comments it would be impossible for me to say Like Dimasalang, I think that without any definite history or background it would be hard to justify that much money for this item. Robert Last edited by Robert Coleman; 1st September 2010 at 05:23 PM.

2nd September 2010, 03:13 PM	#5
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	I feel too that it's a Phil. piece, for reasons already mentioned. As to the lack of Katipunan markings, I'm guessing that perhaps it's because it was made before or after those tumultuous years (i.e., 1896-1898 Phil. Revolution, and 1899-1902 Phil.-American War). This beautiful piece reminds of the one that got away (sample pics are below, for convenience) ... sorry to remind you, Dimasalang! On the 'x' over the diamond motif on the ferrule, am not too sure but I think I've seen that in some old Phil. potteries. I've leafed through some of my books but can't find where I saw that design. But I'm no expert on potteries. Maybe Nacho can comment if he sees this thread ... Attached Images

1st September 2010, 06:40 AM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I totally agree, but would have still liked to have added it to my collection.

1st September 2010, 09:17 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I must admit like Dimasalang, I go for sun faces, rays, 3 stars, etc., anything that are direct katipunan/first republic symbols (and of course lots and lots of silver ).

3rd September 2010, 02:09 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Oh yes, I've drooled......er.........seen this one before. You have a good point (like the one on top of my head ) in that the first one may have been made prior to the official founding of the first republic, making it possibly high ranking Katipunan if so.

3rd September 2010, 04:59 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	As a naval collector, I never thought it was a dirk, but I did wonder if it might have been Spanish colonial with Phil. influences. That might explain the high bidding, as Spanish bowies seem to fetch as much as U.S. ones do. I am in total agreement that it is in all liklihood a Phil. piece, very nicely made, but ohhh the price!