Lance head ?? Indo Persian? Seller stated African

mahratt · 26th August 2010, 10:18 PM

I think, it most likely India. Not Europe. I have a similar spear from the central India.

Battara · 26th August 2010, 11:43 PM

I'm with Mahratt, I think it is Indian, especially with the 3 sided blade.

Rick · 27th August 2010, 02:51 AM

How about a Lance Head ?
Looks more like that than a Spear, IMO .

The (metuk; Java.) meaning the base of the point; shows a similar Eastern influence common to the area .

mahratt · 27th August 2010, 03:20 AM

You are certainly right! Lans Head. I translate in "translit" so in advance I apologize for weight of errors

Rick · 27th August 2010, 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mahratt

You are certainly right! Lans Head. I translate in "translit" so in advance I apologize for weight of errors

Not a problem .

I understood .

I just see a similarity in the 'Metuk', or base ; to many Indo-Malay spears .

Simply an uneducated observation on my part .

Rick

katana · 28th August 2010, 12:08 AM

Thank you Gentlemen for your replies

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So generally agreed possibly Indian. Rick your suggestion of a SEA is interesting....for some reason I wondered if this was from Southern India which have weapon features that have influenced / have been influenced by SEA.

Hi Battara,
although the pictures give the impression that the head is 3 sided, it is in fact 4 sided, a diamond shaped cross section. Max width viewed from above is 30mm (1 1/4") ....viewed from side max width is 16mm ( 5/8" )

The red 'band' on the socket is only just noticeable in certain lighting conditions. It seems to 'bleed through' the very dark stablised patina. Not obvious is the very tip is slightly bent and blunted. I do not believe this was 'abuse', but combat damage the overall patina is the same as with the rest of the head and socket.
This damage is consistant with great impact force....perhaps again suggesting a cavalry lance.

One of the 'fullers' out of the 4 is slightly longer. It seems that it has a impressed stamp, which is too worn / corroded to see but, the outline of its 'border' seems almost rectangular 4mm x3mm slightly above that (and centrally) there is a small faded 'something'....under magnification these two combined almost appear to be a crown but like looking at clouds and making out shapes, the more you try to 'see' ....the more the mind 'creates'.

Any ideas as to the red 'band'

thank you

Kind Regards David

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Rick · 28th August 2010, 12:37 AM

There is a red painted band just above the ferrule of my Parang Nabur/Barbary Pirate sword .
Just information to throw in there .

Are you sure this is hand forged ?

It almost looks cast from what I can see .

28th August 2010, 12:08 AM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thank you Gentlemen for your replies , So generally agreed possibly Indian. Rick your suggestion of a SEA is interesting....for some reason I wondered if this was from Southern India which have weapon features that have influenced / have been influenced by SEA. Hi Battara, although the pictures give the impression that the head is 3 sided, it is in fact 4 sided, a diamond shaped cross section. Max width viewed from above is 30mm (1 1/4") ....viewed from side max width is 16mm ( 5/8" ) The red 'band' on the socket is only just noticeable in certain lighting conditions. It seems to 'bleed through' the very dark stablised patina. Not obvious is the very tip is slightly bent and blunted. I do not believe this was 'abuse', but combat damage the overall patina is the same as with the rest of the head and socket. This damage is consistant with great impact force....perhaps again suggesting a cavalry lance. One of the 'fullers' out of the 4 is slightly longer. It seems that it has a impressed stamp, which is too worn / corroded to see but, the outline of its 'border' seems almost rectangular 4mm x3mm slightly above that (and centrally) there is a small faded 'something'....under magnification these two combined almost appear to be a crown but like looking at clouds and making out shapes, the more you try to 'see' ....the more the mind 'creates'. Any ideas as to the red 'band' thank you Kind Regards David . Attached Images

28th August 2010, 12:37 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	There is a red painted band just above the ferrule of my Parang Nabur/Barbary Pirate sword . Just information to throw in there . Are you sure this is hand forged ? It almost looks cast from what I can see . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 28th August 2010 at 12:53 AM.

26th August 2010, 10:18 PM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	I think, it most likely India. Not Europe. I have a similar spear from the central India.

26th August 2010, 11:43 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I'm with Mahratt, I think it is Indian, especially with the 3 sided blade.

27th August 2010, 02:51 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	How about a Lance Head ? Looks more like that than a Spear, IMO . The (metuk; Java.) meaning the base of the point; shows a similar Eastern influence common to the area .

27th August 2010, 03:20 AM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	You are certainly right! Lans Head. I translate in "translit" so in advance I apologize for weight of errors