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Here are the blades of 3 of my Si Euli. I am travelling at the moment so I don't have any possibility to take better pictures but I hope they are good enough as examples for this thread. The 4 other antique ones I have seen all had the same kind of plain blades as mine (as Arjan indicated).
I agree with Kai that they seems to be closer to a local variation of the sewar than the keris. Probably the keris like ones are exceptions, based on their rarity in old collections? Michael |
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Hi Kai, thanks for the update.. forgot to check Karsten's "Kris Disk"..
![]() Hi Michael, nice examples of Si Euli. My obsevations are, Si Euli is typically a sewar-like blade with a sewar-like sheath.. however, the example posted in post #1, probably have a sewar-like blade with a keris-like sheath.. If we look at other weaponry of Nias, we mostly see variation of balato, sewar and badik-like knives, spears, etc.. The same post #1 piece can also be found in Feldman's book "Nias, Tribal Treasures. Cosmic Reflections in Stone, Wood and Gold", again without the blade visible.. The one found in Jensen's 'Kris Disk', Fig 209: "A Chief from North Nias with a Gayo/Aceh type of kris", may be an imported keris used, not part of the local culture. My opinion is, there is no keris culture in Nias.. if there is keris found there, it's most probably imported from mainland Sumatra. Currently I do not have supportive evidence to prove that, but I've yet to see evidence that one does exist to sway my opinion. What do you think? |
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Also the sewarlike Si Euli was IMO more common in the North as the South.Old pics from the north for example show sometimes warriors without Balatu sebua but with Si Euli. The fact that the balatu didn't had its rattan ball and that headhunting wasn't mostly practised in the north, may point out that the Balato lost somewhat of his importance. See there the base to adopt weaponery from other cultures. The statement that the first weapon should represent a keris is somewhat to far IMO. If we see the great skill a niha could carve I don't think they tried to imitate a javanese keris but they just adopted some designs they like. You see that also in the swords of north nias. some are almost like a sikin but are they still balato? Difficult... but what's in the name..... regards, Arjan |
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Just found this curious one, a scabbard only .....
It has more in common with the human figures with upraised arms IMO. |
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Hello,
I just want to add a thought. I have seen some Siraui in Keris like sheaths and nobody will call them keris only because the similar sheat so why we want to call Si Eulis Nias Keris because some come with a Keris like sheath? And don't foget the main different between keris and other daggers: A keris have a gonjo! And I don't remember to have seen a Si Euli with a gonjo. Detlef |
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I don't think the real question in situ here is if we must call a Si euli with a keris like scabbard a keris or a Si Euli. I think what Alam Shah wanted to know if kerisses where also made on Nias or not and if there's any Keris culture on the island or not, but correct me if I'm wrong............ |
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Oooh that way, I changed my mind, its a keris of course! ![]() ![]() |
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As mentioned, it is believed to be a status wear (out of fancy, oddity), rather than a culture. Perhaps when it's listed in the Ensiklopedi Keris as a keris, many imitations and wannabes starts to appear.. Last edited by Alam Shah; 5th July 2010 at 04:11 AM. |
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Of course you are correct! And what I want to say is that on Nias don't have been a Keris culture since this blades lacks all features a keris blade normally have and the only similarity is the sheat. |
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As for the Siraui, the blade itself is not, although the sheath, does looks like a gayaman styled keris sheath, to a certain extent. |
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Hi all,
I tought i have another "keris like object" , it DOES have gonjo, nias keris ? frankly said, i interested on the mollar hilt ![]() |
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made for a few dollar, and when sold in their store,seller asks maker, come lets make more............ ![]() |
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