Moro Kris on Pawn Stars TV show

laEspadaAncha · 29th June 2010, 02:32 AM

I happen to know Sean. He's based out of the San Diego region (the History Channel flies him in for the show and puts him up on in a hotel for a week while they line up a bunch of "visits"). He has a ridiculous collection of European arms and armor (the finest privately-owned pieces I've ever seen are his, and they have a price tag to match!), and does a brisk business. He supplied Disney with the edged weps for the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise (which were all real, BTW)... But IMO, he undervalues ethnographic weapons.

Battara · 29th June 2010, 03:00 AM

Which one is Sean? Are you saying the show is rigged?

laEspadaAncha · 29th June 2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Which one is Sean? Are you saying the show is rigged?

Not at all... Sean is just (one of) the antique arms and armor experts the Shop consults with to determine an item's value. However, as it's not cost feasible for the HC to keep a production crew on location 24/7, they simply have a process in place to have people come back with the really cool stuff so they can coordinate their visits with appraisals by their experts for our collective viewing pleasure.

So they line up a week's worth of visits, and a certain arms and armor expert gets a free paid vacay to Lost Wages.

ThePepperSkull · 29th June 2010, 09:07 AM

I love this show. Informative to those casually interested in antiques of various kinds.

the employees/owners are amusing enough as well. Though I'm not very fond of Big Hoss' attitude somtimes. "Old Man" is always great though.

Ferguson · 29th June 2010, 01:23 PM

It looked like a separate gangya, so probably early 1900's. The "expert" said it was 18th century, so 1700's? I doubt it. But I would have paid $100 for the blade.

Love the show.

Steve

laEspadaAncha · 29th June 2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

It looked like a separate gangya, so probably early 1900's. The "expert" said it was 18th century, so 1700's? I doubt it. But I would have paid $100 for the blade.

Love the show.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I forgot about the (likely erroneous) age attribution. Nonetheless, I wouldn't go as far as to put "expert" in quotes... Sean performed weapons restoration at the Smithsonian while working on his postgrad - I would most definitely consider him an expert in antique arms and armor. However, most of us have areas of specialization that supersede our expertise in other areas, and I think he is no exception - I would say his knowledge of SE Asian and Oceanic arms and armor is not nearly as deep as his knowledge of European arms and armor from the Middle Ages through the mid-19th C.

David · 29th June 2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

It looked like a separate gangya, so probably early 1900's. The "expert" said it was 18th century, so 1700's? I doubt it. But I would have paid $100 for the blade.

Love the show.

Steve

Keep in mind Steve that they pay $100 so that they can sell it for $300-400.

Lew · 29th June 2010, 08:05 PM

The kris looked a bit off to me. The was pretty thin down by at the base I think this was tourist stuff and would not have touched it.

Lew · 29th June 2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Keep in mind Steve that they pay $100 so that they can sell it for $300-400.

And as the owner says in 5 years he will wonder why he bought it in the first place.

David · 29th June 2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

It looked like a separate gangya, so probably early 1900's. The "expert" said it was 18th century, so 1700's? I doubt it. But I would have paid $100 for the blade.

As has been pointed out, their "expert" was not extremely familiar with Moro kris. Firstly this style is not unique to the area as we all know that there are Malay Sundangs. I think he also confused a bit or "kris" info with Indo "keris" when is mentions that they were carried every day by the common man since as far as i can figure the Moro kris is more a weapon of war, not something for everyday person self defense. The Indo keris OTOH, is carried daily by average people. His take on the "good luck/bad luck" hilts also didn't make much sense to me and i don't think this is a tourist hilt, just one that doesn't belong to this form of blade. It's actually a pretty cool hilt and i am wondering if it might be made from horn.

Dimasalang · 29th June 2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

I happen to know Sean. He's based out of the San Diego region (the History Channel flies him in for the show and puts him up on in a hotel for a week while they line up a bunch of "visits"). He has a ridiculous collection of European arms and armor (the finest privately-owned pieces I've ever seen are his, and they have a price tag to match!), and does a brisk business. He supplied Disney with the edged weps for the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise (which were all real, BTW)... But IMO, he undervalues ethnographic weapons.

Is his collection in San Diego also? Im in San Diego...would be cool to check out his vast collection of weapons.

laEspadaAncha · 29th June 2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dimasalang

Is his collection in San Diego also? Im in San Diego...would be cool to check out his vast collection of weapons.

Another San Diegan forumate? Let's get together and have a couple drinks and talk about All Things Sharp & Pointy...

Anyway, if you want to see some of his collection, he puts a lot of his items on consignment up at Guy Stuff in Carlsbad.

Dimasalang · 30th June 2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Another San Diegan forumate? Let's get together and have a couple drinks and talk about All Things Sharp & Pointy...

Anyway, if you want to see some of his collection, he puts a lot of his items on consignment up at Guy Stuff in Carlsbad.

Yes Ive been in SD since 79.

Let me know when you'd like to hang out sometime.

Never been to Guy Stuff...I'll stop by there sometime.

David · 30th June 2010, 08:18 PM

I would like to think that Chumlee is an actor because he's a pretty large waste of good oxygen otherwise. Sheesh!

What i don't really understand about this show, considering that most people are selling with no intention of returning to claim a piece, is why they don't just sell the stuff on ebay. These guys only offer them a third of the value at best. If they needed a quick sale i might understand, but in order to get this stuff set up time must be involved, so they could probably get more money on ebay in the same time.

Battara · 30th June 2010, 11:07 PM

Yea I see your point - low amount.

Just saw this episode and think that the expert is wrong - I would date it more in the early to mid 1800s.

29th June 2010, 02:32 AM	#1
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	I happen to know Sean. He's based out of the San Diego region (the History Channel flies him in for the show and puts him up on in a hotel for a week while they line up a bunch of "visits"). He has a ridiculous collection of European arms and armor (the finest privately-owned pieces I've ever seen are his, and they have a price tag to match!), and does a brisk business. He supplied Disney with the edged weps for the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise (which were all real, BTW)... But IMO, he undervalues ethnographic weapons.

29th June 2010, 03:00 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Which one is Sean? Are you saying the show is rigged?

29th June 2010, 09:07 AM	#4
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	I love this show. Informative to those casually interested in antiques of various kinds. the employees/owners are amusing enough as well. Though I'm not very fond of Big Hoss' attitude somtimes. "Old Man" is always great though.

29th June 2010, 01:23 PM	#5
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	It looked like a separate gangya, so probably early 1900's. The "expert" said it was 18th century, so 1700's? I doubt it. But I would have paid $100 for the blade. Love the show. Steve

29th June 2010, 08:05 PM	#8
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The kris looked a bit off to me. The was pretty thin down by at the base I think this was tourist stuff and would not have touched it.

30th June 2010, 08:18 PM	#14
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I would like to think that Chumlee is an actor because he's a pretty large waste of good oxygen otherwise. Sheesh! What i don't really understand about this show, considering that most people are selling with no intention of returning to claim a piece, is why they don't just sell the stuff on ebay. These guys only offer them a third of the value at best. If they needed a quick sale i might understand, but in order to get this stuff set up time must be involved, so they could probably get more money on ebay in the same time.

30th June 2010, 11:07 PM	#15
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Yea I see your point - low amount. Just saw this episode and think that the expert is wrong - I would date it more in the early to mid 1800s.