Putting together a museum exhibit linking Java keris to Philippine kris

[tom hyle]

place of alleged origin (Java) This is a much-debated point, some even pointing to India for the origin of the kris.

[tom hyle]

I reiterate kris and keris are not truly two seperate forms. Kris sundang is a type of k[e]ris. In Standard Indonesian "keris" is pronounced "kris".

[Rick]

Originally Posted by tom hyle

I reiterate kris and keris are not truly two seperate forms. Kris sundang is a type of k[e]ris. In Standard Indonesian "keris" is pronounced "kris".

We use this different spelling to make it clear which species of weapon form we are discussing, Tom .

[tom hyle]

Originally Posted by Rick

We use this different spelling to make it clear which species of weapon form we are discussing, Tom .

And instead you thus make it obscure and confusing, creating a division that is largely invalid and that the natives of the region do not recognize. Indnesian and Malay books on kris tend to give kris sundang as a variant form like any other, for instance.

[David]

Originally Posted by tom hyle

I reiterate kris and keris are not truly two seperate forms. Kris sundang is a type of k[e]ris. In Standard Indonesian "keris" is pronounced "kris".

Actually Tom, i am not convinced that this pronounciation is exactly correct.

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by tom hyle

place of alleged origin (Java) This is a much-debated point, some even pointing to India for the origin of the kris.

My two cents worth regarding origins.....Malaysia may not be the origin but the Kris figures prominantly on their National Coat of Arms, and also is used as a prominent part of the logo of Tourism Melaka, so one could assume that the Malays have some claim??

[Rick]

Originally Posted by tom hyle

place of alleged origin (Java) This is a much-debated point, some even pointing to India for the origin of the kris.

Please .
Prove otherwise .

[tom hyle]

Originally Posted by Rick

Please .
Prove otherwise .

I don't have any need to prove otherwise; I merely point out it is a far from settled matter. A simple search of these forums will show that to anyone. So you please; don't present your favored position as a settled matter.

[David]

Originally Posted by tom hyle

I don't have any need to prove otherwise; I merely point out it is a far from settled matter. A simple search of these forums will show that to anyone. So you please; don't present your favored position as a settled matter.

I believe tha this matter is sort of like the global warming issue Tom. 98% of all scientists will tell you it's true and there are 2% trying their damnest to persuade everyone it is all nonsense.
Until you can prove to me otherwise, the keris orginated in Jawa.