Ethnographic bayonets question

[Aleksey G.]

Thank you Stephen for your post.
Guys? any one else have any info?
Any region or method of attachment to a firearm?
Any ethnographic blade serving as a bayonet.

[Rick]

Kukri bayonet .
It's an interesting creature .
Spiral has an early example .

Got a picture, Spiral ?

[Jim McDougall]

In colonial times European armies often had great respect for ethnic and native forces who fought against them with valor, and admired not only thier stamina in battle but the weapons they used. In many cases they adopted thier own examples or versions of these weapons, for example this was the case with the introduction of the mameluke sabre into British, French and even American military officers sabres. In the British Raj there were countless examples of the hybridization of British and Indian edged weapons.

The British Army respected the Nepalese Gurkhas above all, and developed regiments of these fierce warriors into thier ranks. Eventually the tribally distinct 'kukri' became produced by British manufacturers as regulation weapons, and of course the bayonets as well as mentioned.

In this same sense, the French much admired the Berber warriors in Algeria and in 1831 created special units of Zouaoua Berbers of the Jurjura regions in Kabylia for infantry. By 1842, the use of sword type bayonets and the type with yataghan (for its similarity to the recurved blade on the Ottoman sword by that name) came into use. In the M1866 Chassepot rifle, the same style 'yataghan' blade was used. While the blade style reflected again, the Ottoman style weapon, and the uniforms were of the 'exotic oriental' fashion, the use of these yataghan bayonets was universally applied. These units, which became known as 'Zouaves' were brought into American military in Union forces during the Civil War, and similarily fashioned units were used by the Polish/Lithuanian forces against Russia in the 1880s.

Although not ethnographic weapons per se, these regulation bayonets do reflect ethnographic origins, and via that association certainly show an interesting perspective. Despite the obvious disparity often reflected in contemporary narratives concerning these conflicts, there was indeed a deep respect and admiration for the native warriors the colonial forces faced.

I cannot think of examples beyond the kukri and yataghan forms, but it would be interesting to see others.

It should be noted as well that the Spanish plug bayonet was still produced in its original form long after its prescribed use had ceased, and used as a hunting weapon. The use of the bayonet was primarily secondary with the use of single shot guns which left the individual unarmed until he had time to reload. Obviously in a combat melee or attack by a wounded animal in the hunt, this was unlikely.

[Berkley]

British (primarily British Indian) manufacture of kukris in large quantities was a 20th century phenomenon necessitated by the large number of Gurkhas who served in both World Wars. The extremely rare "kukri" bayonets were genuine Nepalese ethnographic weapons produced in the 19th century.
From Guns of the Gurkhas by John Walter:

[T]he chupi bayonets (the so-called 'kukri bayonets')...have attained a notoriety that was completely disproportionate to their numbers.... Variations in detail suggest that the bayonets were made individually, over a considerable period of time.... Most have the suggestion of a 'T'-back, occasionally with narrow fullers immediately beneath the back. The sockets have 'L'-slots and East India Company-type springs...that enabled most of the bayonets to fit a selection of Nepalese-made...barrels. This reveals that they date from the flintlock era. However, the socket diameters varied...and it would have been necessary to match individual bayonets to individual muskets...

When Jang Bahadur left to visit Britain late in 1850, at least one witness testified that the prime minister had 'stepped into the verandah overlooking the garden [of his lodgings in Calcutta], on the broad path of which a long line of bright and terrible bayonets (shaped like the Kookree, or Nepaulese knife - a very handsome carved [sic] weapon glittered in the sun...' This confirms that the men of the escort were carrying Windus-type flintlock muskets and chupi bayonets, but it is believed that only a handful of battalions were equipped with them.

[Bryan.H]

I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you mean, but I saw this on Fagan's site a while ago. I've never seen one in museums or books before.

18TH CENTURY INDIAN BAYONET, SANGIN, FOR MATCHLOCK MUSKET





http://faganarms.com/recently_sold.aspx

[Bryan.H]

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[Aleksey G.]

Guys, thank you for your posts, pretty cool stuff.
Does zombie killer run on gas? doesnt seem like there is a lot of gastank there.
actually now I see some wiring so probably a battery
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It doesn seem like there is a lot of information out there on ethnographic bayonets, or even just ehnograhic blades being afixed on the rifles.
I was hoping for some juicy pictures of moro krisses, yataghans, or maybe even an occasional afgani khyber knife crudely afixed on the rifles

[spiral]

Originally Posted by Rick

Kukri bayonet .
It's an interesting creature .
Spiral has an early example .

Got a picture, Spiral ?

Afraid its now with a very serios bayonet collecter who wanted it more than I did now Rick. I guess I eventualy reached the point of thinking its a chupri bayonet, not a kukri bayonet. {there even rarer!}

Ill look up some of my old pics to help illustrate though, may take a few days though. {so many pics so little time. }

Spiral