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16th June 2010, 05:22 PM
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Oh, the scabbard by the way is not the original one, but fits perfect!
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16th June 2010, 08:06 PM
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Hi Maurice,
I don't have a clue from where it is but it is very very nice! 
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16th June 2010, 09:14 PM
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hi maurice
Do I have almost the same! have no idea where it comes from. |
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16th June 2010, 10:44 PM
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Me too
I've got one too Maurice, it came with the Kelling Hall collection;
http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s182_full.html I look forward to hearing what the Sumatran experts say but my feeling is Atjeh based on the majority of the Collection only. You are certainly putting together a nice collection. Gav |
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17th June 2010, 08:57 AM
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Nice one, Maurice!
All 3 examples seem to be hulu puntung variations. Gavin's piece almost resembles the hulu dandan style. Blade is apparently heavily worn - tough to place this one; the nice scabbard looks fairly typical and I'd guess it's from Aceh if none of the inked motifs suggests otherwise. Christoph's piece looks odd and the scabbard seems to be a later replacement. I'd really like to see this blade cleaned and lightly stained to bring out the laminations - if it's really antique, I'd believe that the rather stubby blade shape might suggest a Gayo origin. The hilt is also odd but doesn't look like one of those recent oddities fabricated on Java/Madura/Bali... Maurice's piece is obviously antique and unique. While a status piece, I believe it's original owner was not too affluent: the workmanship of the suasa ferrule is pretty basic and IMHO the hilt suggests that the shape was influenced by the (limited) chunk of ivory available to the craftsman. Thus, I'm not sure we can glean much on it's origin from these features except that it probably doesn't came from any center of power. However, the scabbard this piece had with it is one of the most flaboyant wooden examples I've seen! If really original to this rencong it might indeed point to a Gayo origin... Maybe Erik can post some pics of the scabbard here? Regards, Kai |
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17th June 2010, 09:26 PM
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Hi Kai/Maurice,
Most Gayo scabbards I know are different from this one and the one I have. Most often dark wood ipo the typical light wood of Aceh and in cases of an ivory handle also the top of the sheath is often made of ivory (like on some sikin in another region). Here is a picture of the sheath Kai mentions. Sheaths are constantly traded and exchanged it seems - this happens now but also happened in the past. So to a certain extend you never know how original a scabbard is to the knife with these Quote:
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18th June 2010, 01:37 PM
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Gentlemen,
Thank you all for your input. I agree with Erik, that there is no guarantee that the scabbard that covers the blade is 100% the original one. If I didn't mention my scabbard wasn't the original, you probably would have believed it because it fits for the fully 100%. Just like it was made for it. I guess you can only be sure when you have a rentjong in your hands with provenance, and than also it could be that they were put together in the past, because the original was lost or maybe damaged too heavily. Is there a thread where we can read more between the differences of rentjongs regarding the regions where they come from? Nice addition to mention is that I found some old images where gayo people have rentjongs (not this type as discussed here in this thread) worn different ways... The normal way and "upside down"... Maurice |
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