17thC relic Rapier saved?

Atlantia · 9th June 2010, 11:29 PM

Hi All!

Nando,
Well, I've not actually used olive oil before (apart from cooking of course)
I'll have to buy some tomorrow

Jim,
Thanks for the research, it kinda confirms my thoughts. Well, I thought 1620-30, but a few years later is still fine really.

Manolo,
Thanks

To be honest I think the pommel is my favourite bit! Its such a beauty!

Michael,
Thank you for your research. To be honest (and without looking through my books which I don't have access to at the moment) I didn't think it was 'quite' a pappenheimer, so thats a most pleasant suprise!
The 'Bonhams' sword is an absolute beauty! Would that I could happen across one of that quality

I will try olive oil/silicon carbide paper, I can honestly say I'd never have thought of using olive oil to lubricate the paper.
I will certainly show off the results.

Philip,
Some great tips there! Especially the deer antler. I completely approve, they drop off naturally, and are great to work with. I'll have to fabricate a few 'tools' from some offcuts, as I'm actually working a piece to make a hilt at the moment.
I didn't know it was a traditional tool for Japanese Tsuba/metalworkers

Hotspur,
Well, I've not used it before either, but sounds like its worth a try.

Martin,
I'e always used aerosol penetrating oils as they hopefully WILL sink into the pits and stabilise the rust. I've never had a problem with them loosening deep rust like an acid though.

Nando,
That this fine weapon should have ended up like this is just horrible.
I don't think any beauty parlour could do much... but I do have some hopes.
Its a bit like watching England in the world cup, there will probobly be some sweat and tears, fingers crossed, prayers whispered... but in the end, mostly just a sad realisation of what 'might have been'

Matchlock · 10th June 2010, 04:10 AM

Hi Gene,

Thanks so much for appreciating our fellow contributions!
It really does one so good being both confirmed and enabled to inform you on the treasure you landed!

Of course it's all up to you to make the best out of that rare acquisition.

Having been a regular subscriber to all the relevant auction houses for more than 30 years worldwide, I continuously see thousands of pieces going thru the international market each year. Given the fact that the result price of the piece in discussion I posted didn't bash you off too hard, please let me know whenever you're ready to hit. I would then love giving you a hint on future chances.
I will sent you a private message.

May I give you a fair warning about using silicone though:
It will be final, with no chance whatsoever to get it off - that's what in my mind most people tend to neglect ...

The choice is all up to you anyways, so good luck - and I really look forward to seeing the pics.

Best,
Michael

Dmitry · 10th August 2010, 06:08 PM

Did you finish your conservation?
Perhaps we can see the results?

Dmitry · 10th August 2010, 07:20 PM

Also, I've searched 'tannin' and couldn't find any pharmacy products. Would anyone care to elaborate on it?

fernando · 10th August 2010, 07:37 PM

Search for "Tannic acid".
Contained in red whine, coffe, tea, spinach, etc
The formula is C76H52O46.
The other day, a museum restorer also adviced this stuff.
It is found, over here, in traditional drug stores.
Certainly acquirable in the Internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannic_acid

Dmitry · 10th August 2010, 07:43 PM

Thank you. I know what a tannic acid is. I was hoping it was available as a commercial product.The easiest way for me to obtain it is probably to brew some strong tea. Perhaps that's what I should do, and try it on an iron nail.

Dmitry · 10th August 2010, 07:49 PM

Found this -
http://www.homebrewit.com/aisle/p/6300B

fernando · 10th August 2010, 07:52 PM

Good that you found it.
I was already thinking of how to get some, over here, and send it to you.

10th June 2010, 04:10 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Gene, Thanks so much for appreciating our fellow contributions! It really does one so good being both confirmed and enabled to inform you on the treasure you landed! Of course it's all up to you to make the best out of that rare acquisition. Having been a regular subscriber to all the relevant auction houses for more than 30 years worldwide, I continuously see thousands of pieces going thru the international market each year. Given the fact that the result price of the piece in discussion I posted didn't bash you off too hard, please let me know whenever you're ready to hit. I would then love giving you a hint on future chances. I will sent you a private message. May I give you a fair warning about using silicone though: It will be final, with no chance whatsoever to get it off - that's what in my mind most people tend to neglect ... The choice is all up to you anyways, so good luck - and I really look forward to seeing the pics. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 10th June 2010 at 04:22 AM.

9th June 2010, 11:29 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi All! Nando, Well, I've not actually used olive oil before (apart from cooking of course) I'll have to buy some tomorrow Jim, Thanks for the research, it kinda confirms my thoughts. Well, I thought 1620-30, but a few years later is still fine really. Manolo, Thanks To be honest I think the pommel is my favourite bit! Its such a beauty! Michael, Thank you for your research. To be honest (and without looking through my books which I don't have access to at the moment) I didn't think it was 'quite' a pappenheimer, so thats a most pleasant suprise! The 'Bonhams' sword is an absolute beauty! Would that I could happen across one of that quality I will try olive oil/silicon carbide paper, I can honestly say I'd never have thought of using olive oil to lubricate the paper. I will certainly show off the results. Philip, Some great tips there! Especially the deer antler. I completely approve, they drop off naturally, and are great to work with. I'll have to fabricate a few 'tools' from some offcuts, as I'm actually working a piece to make a hilt at the moment. I didn't know it was a traditional tool for Japanese Tsuba/metalworkers Hotspur, Well, I've not used it before either, but sounds like its worth a try. Martin, I'e always used aerosol penetrating oils as they hopefully WILL sink into the pits and stabilise the rust. I've never had a problem with them loosening deep rust like an acid though. Nando, That this fine weapon should have ended up like this is just horrible. I don't think any beauty parlour could do much... but I do have some hopes. Its a bit like watching England in the world cup, there will probobly be some sweat and tears, fingers crossed, prayers whispered... but in the end, mostly just a sad realisation of what 'might have been'

10th August 2010, 06:08 PM	#3
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Did you finish your conservation? Perhaps we can see the results?

10th August 2010, 07:20 PM	#4
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Also, I've searched 'tannin' and couldn't find any pharmacy products. Would anyone care to elaborate on it?

10th August 2010, 07:37 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Search for "Tannic acid". Contained in red whine, coffe, tea, spinach, etc The formula is C76H52O46. The other day, a museum restorer also adviced this stuff. It is found, over here, in traditional drug stores. Certainly acquirable in the Internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannic_acid

10th August 2010, 07:43 PM	#6
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Thank you. I know what a tannic acid is. I was hoping it was available as a commercial product.The easiest way for me to obtain it is probably to brew some strong tea. Perhaps that's what I should do, and try it on an iron nail.

10th August 2010, 07:49 PM	#7
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Found this - http://www.homebrewit.com/aisle/p/6300B

10th August 2010, 07:52 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good that you found it. I was already thinking of how to get some, over here, and send it to you.