17thC relic Rapier saved?

Atlantia · 8th June 2010, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Hi Gene,
Lovely relic; is it yours?
Don't you have Norman's book?
Let's ask Jim if he agrees this has a pommel #60 ... or the likes of it?

A hilt not distant to #84?
Definitely a sword from the first half XVII century?
As if i knew something about these things

Anyway, if you struggle a bit, i can accept it as gift

.
Fernando

Hello Buddy.
Yes its mine, bought it today.
Don't have access to my limited books at the moment
But I don't have 'Normans'

Where to start on the conservation/cleaning?

fernando · 8th June 2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

... Where to start on the conservation/cleaning?...

No where

.
Maybe (maybe) some inocuous conservation stuff; something innocent like olive oil?
Let's see other member's opinion

.

Jim McDougall · 8th June 2010, 10:36 PM

Thank you Fernando!!!

Nicely done Gene! This appears to be closest to hilt #55, which is a cuphilt rapier with alternating quillons probably Continental, N. European c. 1625-40
("The Rapier & the Smallsword 1460-1820", A.V.B.Norman, N.Y. 1980).
It appears that similar hilts were also produced in Toledo about the same period notably by Tomas Aiala. There is great similarity in hilts in these periods following popular fashion, so often it is hard to categorize with definition.

I would proceed with great care and reservation in conserving this piece, and most important is stabilizing any active rust. The patination is pretty solid and trying to work into it would not only compromise the integrity of the sword, but its value, potential damage notwithstanding.

8th June 2010, 10:36 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Thank you Fernando!!! Nicely done Gene! This appears to be closest to hilt #55, which is a cuphilt rapier with alternating quillons probably Continental, N. European c. 1625-40 ("The Rapier & the Smallsword 1460-1820", A.V.B.Norman, N.Y. 1980). It appears that similar hilts were also produced in Toledo about the same period notably by Tomas Aiala. There is great similarity in hilts in these periods following popular fashion, so often it is hard to categorize with definition. I would proceed with great care and reservation in conserving this piece, and most important is stabilizing any active rust. The patination is pretty solid and trying to work into it would not only compromise the integrity of the sword, but its value, potential damage notwithstanding.