bayonet collectors help?

Vaarok · 31st May 2010, 11:40 PM

Just to be fussy, the photos posted of Turk bayonets are of the 1935 reworked, ten-inch blades. The original Turkish 1903 blades were "quillback" like the German S98, and featured a stiffening rib like the shaft of a feather in addition to the fuller, with part of the blade edge protruding above that shaft like a dorsal fin on the latter third of the blade. That tip shape might, interpretively, tie in with the diamond-shaped tip on the dagger you posted.

Tim Simmons · 1st June 2010, 11:53 AM

Vaarok again very helpful. What interested me about this the pictures I posted is the shape of the bend in the forward sweeping quillon. I also like the idea of the white metal pommel. This link if it works, shows a shortened earlier version that appears to have had the quillon removed. Could be that there are many variants. The fin like blade could explain the shape of the African knife. It is all good fun learning about bayonets.

http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/turk90a.htm

This link is also worth looking at, note the curve to the quillon?

http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/Bayonets.html#Turkey

Tim Simmons · 21st October 2012, 11:34 AM

This ended on USA ebay 8th Oct. Interesting? Appears to have seem more use than a souvenir? I had a long steel dagger with the same form of scabbard.

AJ1356 · 21st October 2012, 05:14 PM

The top one seems to be from a french LeBelle. I think that is how it is spelled.

not2sharp · 5th November 2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

This ended on USA ebay 8th Oct. Interesting? Appears to have seem more use than a souvenir? I had a long steel dagger with the same form of scabbard.

It looks somewhat like the Spanish puntilla dagger used in bullfighting.

n2s

Lew · 5th November 2012, 09:35 PM

Ok guys you had your fun. Bayonets are mass produced military by nature and since most of the examples are post 1900 and not really ethnographic in nature I'm going to close this thread.

1st June 2010, 11:53 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Vaarok again very helpful. What interested me about this the pictures I posted is the shape of the bend in the forward sweeping quillon. I also like the idea of the white metal pommel. This link if it works, shows a shortened earlier version that appears to have had the quillon removed. Could be that there are many variants. The fin like blade could explain the shape of the African knife. It is all good fun learning about bayonets. http://arms2armor.com/Bayonets/turk90a.htm This link is also worth looking at, note the curve to the quillon? http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/Bayonets.html#Turkey Last edited by Tim Simmons; 1st June 2010 at 12:06 PM.

21st October 2012, 11:34 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	This ended on USA ebay 8th Oct. Interesting? Appears to have seem more use than a souvenir? I had a long steel dagger with the same form of scabbard. Attached Images

31st May 2010, 11:40 PM	#1
Vaarok Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 28	Just to be fussy, the photos posted of Turk bayonets are of the 1935 reworked, ten-inch blades. The original Turkish 1903 blades were "quillback" like the German S98, and featured a stiffening rib like the shaft of a feather in addition to the fuller, with part of the blade edge protruding above that shaft like a dorsal fin on the latter third of the blade. That tip shape might, interpretively, tie in with the diamond-shaped tip on the dagger you posted.

21st October 2012, 05:14 PM	#4
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	The top one seems to be from a french LeBelle. I think that is how it is spelled.

5th November 2012, 09:35 PM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Ok guys you had your fun. Bayonets are mass produced military by nature and since most of the examples are post 1900 and not really ethnographic in nature I'm going to close this thread.