Chinsese weapons : need some ID

Jim McDougall · 15th May 2010, 08:03 PM

Well noted Mark, these shuang gou are quite unusual to find, especially older ones! and Gav seems to have keen insight into both finding and authenticating these kinds of Chinese weapons. The 'antique production' industry in China continues to produce feverishly, running closely with that of India.

Gavin Nugent · 16th May 2010, 05:41 AM

Based on the image I can not say much other than the gou seem to be of a form that have been seen in the 1920-30 but could well be much newer.

Gav

yuanzhumin · 19th May 2010, 11:18 PM

Sorry for this long interruption. I've been following this thread, but I couldn 't post before as my computer broke down few days ago. This is terrible how we can become dependant from these things.
I have some new pictures of these weapons and some others from my friend that i will post later.

yuanzhumin · 3rd June 2010, 11:26 AM

I finally dealt with my computer problem, and after catching back on a load of postponed matters, I'm coming back to the forum.
My friend is an eccentric artist that is spending some of his Sundays going around the Shanghai flea markets. He loves to pick up things, all kind of things. And, occasionally, he picked up some chinese blades that he loves. Here are new pics of some knives already seen here, and some other blades you didn't see yet.
Please, all your fascinating and expert comments are welcome.
All the best,
yuanzhumin

Royston · 3rd June 2010, 02:39 PM

yuanzhumin

With regards to your last set of photos:-

I am certain the bayonet, far left, in the second photo is for the Japanese Arisaka.
The hooked weapons really look like "crow bars" with a cresent blade attached to them.

regards
Roy

josh stout · 7th June 2010, 02:15 PM

The top hudiedao looks genuine. Also the bottom one is a trousse knife (eating knife) from Eastern China, possibly of minority manufacture, recently made, but of good quality and probably in the wrong sheath. Everything else ranges from suspiciously unusual to almost certainly fake. A couple of the little knives could be genuine and were probably made for use rather than for tourists. Nevertheless, they look no older than early 20th c..

I suggest that your friend should be very careful in the street markets and not just pick up anything with an unusual shape that looks old. It can be an expensive way to get an education. Still, we are all learning, and there is no easy way to do it.
Josh

16th May 2010, 05:41 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Gou Based on the image I can not say much other than the gou seem to be of a form that have been seen in the 1920-30 but could well be much newer. Gav

3rd June 2010, 11:26 AM	#4
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	To follow up I finally dealt with my computer problem, and after catching back on a load of postponed matters, I'm coming back to the forum. My friend is an eccentric artist that is spending some of his Sundays going around the Shanghai flea markets. He loves to pick up things, all kind of things. And, occasionally, he picked up some chinese blades that he loves. Here are new pics of some knives already seen here, and some other blades you didn't see yet. Please, all your fascinating and expert comments are welcome. All the best, yuanzhumin Attached Images

15th May 2010, 08:03 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	Well noted Mark, these shuang gou are quite unusual to find, especially older ones! and Gav seems to have keen insight into both finding and authenticating these kinds of Chinese weapons. The 'antique production' industry in China continues to produce feverishly, running closely with that of India.

19th May 2010, 11:18 PM	#3
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Sorry for this long interruption. I've been following this thread, but I couldn 't post before as my computer broke down few days ago. This is terrible how we can become dependant from these things. I have some new pictures of these weapons and some others from my friend that i will post later.

3rd June 2010, 02:39 PM	#5
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	yuanzhumin With regards to your last set of photos:- I am certain the bayonet, far left, in the second photo is for the Japanese Arisaka. The hooked weapons really look like "crow bars" with a cresent blade attached to them. regards Roy

7th June 2010, 02:15 PM	#6
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	The top hudiedao looks genuine. Also the bottom one is a trousse knife (eating knife) from Eastern China, possibly of minority manufacture, recently made, but of good quality and probably in the wrong sheath. Everything else ranges from suspiciously unusual to almost certainly fake. A couple of the little knives could be genuine and were probably made for use rather than for tourists. Nevertheless, they look no older than early 20th c.. I suggest that your friend should be very careful in the street markets and not just pick up anything with an unusual shape that looks old. It can be an expensive way to get an education. Still, we are all learning, and there is no easy way to do it. Josh