Some more objects from the RDG - Keris, kaskara (?) and spears

ganjawulung · 14th May 2010, 09:45 PM

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

David · 14th May 2010, 09:48 PM

I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

Rick · 15th May 2010, 01:35 AM

Kewl ....

RDGAC · 17th May 2010, 04:12 PM

Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

Sajen · 17th May 2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RDGAC

Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

The only surprise will be that the hilt is not free to move.

DAHenkel · 23rd May 2010, 03:25 AM

It should also be pointed out that this is almost certainly a reworked piece. The silverwork is probably contemporaneous to the time of its presentation and to my eye does fit the late 80's early 90's. The blade and sheath look older though.

RDGAC · 9th June 2010, 02:31 PM

Most interesting, one and all; I've just dug this example out for inspection again and am unsure as to whether the hilt is silver or not. It seems, to me, a little light for such, but that might just be a very careful bit of balancing on the part of the smith who made it. As to the scabbard, it is very light indeed and the "silver" is cracked on one side; since I don't think one can plate wood it must, I think, be some kind of veneer-like material.

kulbuntet · 24th June 2010, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

Mr. Ganja,
About the hulu, as far as i can see (forgive me if im wrong) the figure on the hilt has a fan in his hand. So it must be in this case be Bayu (Hindu wind god/demon).

14th May 2010, 09:45 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Balinese Keris ( Item #1 ) Yes, Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris. The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard. The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature.. GANJAWULUNG

14th May 2010, 09:48 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

15th May 2010, 01:35 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Kewl ....

17th May 2010, 04:12 PM	#4
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

23rd May 2010, 03:25 AM	#6
DAHenkel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 125	It should also be pointed out that this is almost certainly a reworked piece. The silverwork is probably contemporaneous to the time of its presentation and to my eye does fit the late 80's early 90's. The blade and sheath look older though.

9th June 2010, 02:31 PM	#7
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Most interesting, one and all; I've just dug this example out for inspection again and am unsure as to whether the hilt is silver or not. It seems, to me, a little light for such, but that might just be a very careful bit of balancing on the part of the smith who made it. As to the scabbard, it is very light indeed and the "silver" is cracked on one side; since I don't think one can plate wood it must, I think, be some kind of veneer-like material.