Some more objects from the RDG - Keris, kaskara (?) and spears

VANDOO · 14th May 2010, 04:35 PM

A VERY INTERESTING KERIS, THE HILT APPEARS TO BE FROM BALI, PERHAPS SILVER OR TIN OR SOME OTHER WHITE METAL

. I AM FAR FROM AN EXPERT ON THE KEIS AND IT IS DEFINITELY A COMPLICATED WEAPON TO STUDY SO WILL LEAVE FURTHER COMMENT TO THE KERIS SCHOLARS.

THIS POST PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THE KERIS PART OF THE FORUM WHERE THEY WILL BE SURE TO SEE IT. PERHAPS A MODERATOR WILL SEE IT AND MAKE THE MOVE. BEST OF LUCK

Jim McDougall · 14th May 2010, 04:45 PM

A beautiful weapon indeed!! but the keris is far outside my fields of study. The complexity and dimension of these fascinating weapons needs full and specialized attention in most cases, and once captivated by these, as the keris guys will concede, theres no turning back !!

Sure would like to see the kaskara and spears though!!

All best regards,
Jim

RDGAC · 14th May 2010, 04:49 PM

Ye-es, I remembered that forum just after posting this message. I'm not sure what to do about that - perhaps part this topic and edit its title, then make a new one for the other bits in here. Anyway, I'm sure all will be well.

Incidentally, a small plaque affixed to the case in which this weapon resides (which I cleverly didn't look at earlier) states that this particular keris was presented by General Try Sutrisno, then Chief of Staff, Indonesian National Army. That'd date its presentation to between 1985 and 1993, I believe, with the A/N suggesting 1985-86.

Jim, one kaskara coming right up!

Sajen · 14th May 2010, 05:22 PM

This is a very nice balinese keris with silver (?) hilt and sheat, do you have tested it? The hilt is in wrong direction, turn it by 180 degree.

Rick · 14th May 2010, 09:01 PM

Can we break this into two separate posts fellows ?

Perhaps start a new thread in Ethno beginning with the Kaskara .
There is quite a volume of posts on Kaskara to be found in an archive search .

Leave the keris in here under our tender care .

ganjawulung · 14th May 2010, 09:45 PM

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

David · 14th May 2010, 09:48 PM

I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

Rick · 15th May 2010, 01:35 AM

Kewl ....

RDGAC · 17th May 2010, 04:12 PM

Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?

kulbuntet · 24th June 2010, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Yes,

Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris.

The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard.

The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature..

GANJAWULUNG

Mr. Ganja,
About the hulu, as far as i can see (forgive me if im wrong) the figure on the hilt has a fan in his hand. So it must be in this case be Bayu (Hindu wind god/demon).

14th May 2010, 04:49 PM	#3
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Ye-es, I remembered that forum just after posting this message. I'm not sure what to do about that - perhaps part this topic and edit its title, then make a new one for the other bits in here. Anyway, I'm sure all will be well. Incidentally, a small plaque affixed to the case in which this weapon resides (which I cleverly didn't look at earlier) states that this particular keris was presented by General Try Sutrisno, then Chief of Staff, Indonesian National Army. That'd date its presentation to between 1985 and 1993, I believe, with the A/N suggesting 1985-86. Jim, one kaskara coming right up! Last edited by RDGAC; 14th May 2010 at 05:10 PM.

14th May 2010, 09:45 PM	#6
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Balinese Keris ( Item #1 ) Yes, Agree with Detlef, a Balinese Keris (Item #1). It could be a Lombok keris too. Not a javanese keris. The warangka (sheath) type is "gayaman" (Bali) or in Lombok called as Tolang Paoq (mango seed).The name of wood motif (pelet) is Pelet Moto, or Pelet Sengareq or Pelet Bintang in Lombok depicted as scattered rice or scattered stars in the sky, and with (could be) silver scabbard. The type of keris, is Balinese seven luks (waves), with hilt type of (silver?) Togogan -- usually depicted gods or raksasa/giant creature.. GANJAWULUNG

14th May 2010, 04:35 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY INTERESTING KERIS, THE HILT APPEARS TO BE FROM BALI, PERHAPS SILVER OR TIN OR SOME OTHER WHITE METAL . I AM FAR FROM AN EXPERT ON THE KEIS AND IT IS DEFINITELY A COMPLICATED WEAPON TO STUDY SO WILL LEAVE FURTHER COMMENT TO THE KERIS SCHOLARS. THIS POST PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO THE KERIS PART OF THE FORUM WHERE THEY WILL BE SURE TO SEE IT. PERHAPS A MODERATOR WILL SEE IT AND MAKE THE MOVE. BEST OF LUCK

14th May 2010, 04:45 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,474	A beautiful weapon indeed!! but the keris is far outside my fields of study. The complexity and dimension of these fascinating weapons needs full and specialized attention in most cases, and once captivated by these, as the keris guys will concede, theres no turning back !! Sure would like to see the kaskara and spears though!! All best regards, Jim

14th May 2010, 05:22 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,277	This is a very nice balinese keris with silver (?) hilt and sheat, do you have tested it? The hilt is in wrong direction, turn it by 180 degree.

14th May 2010, 09:01 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	Can we break this into two separate posts fellows ? Perhaps start a new thread in Ethno beginning with the Kaskara . There is quite a volume of posts on Kaskara to be found in an archive search . Leave the keris in here under our tender care .

14th May 2010, 09:48 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,230	I split the thread off to the main forum Rick. Keris is here, kaskara is there.

15th May 2010, 01:35 AM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	Kewl ....

17th May 2010, 04:12 PM	#9
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Ah. Thanks chaps, will turn the hilt as suggested - carefully! Is there any particular method, or any nasty surprises of which a novice ought to be warned before attempting this?