Moro and narcotics

migueldiaz · 20th April 2010, 12:50 AM

Nice topic. I too believe that they were not on drugs.

I still wonder though what's the medical explanation for withstanding so many bullet wounds before being felled.

Panglima Hassan's 33 hits before being stopped is a classic example. And if it was not the historian Robert Fulton who mentioned it, I wouldn't believe such was possible.

Battara · 20th April 2010, 01:20 AM

Well don't forget that the warrior didn't live long at all before blood loss and heart problems set in. Today there are those who are shot many times and are still able to pull off rounds at the police here in the US. Much easier to survive .38 caliber than a .45 caliber. Although I will not be shocked that perhaps some may have had some tubo or opium, as far as US accounts are concerned, drugs for this type of usage were not mentioned (as far as I know) and that would be something noteworthy like the Zulu plant concoction, or, at the very least, to use as a reason to denigrate the Moros even further in US Army eyes.

Rick · 20th April 2010, 01:24 AM

Agree with you Jose .
I wonder if, for Juramentados at least, the secret was in the funeral bindings .
I think they would minimize exit wounds and help keep blood loss down .

VANDOO · 20th April 2010, 02:00 AM

THE TIME INVOLVED IN AN ATTACK WAS VERY SHORT AND IF RUNNING AT FULL SPEED A SHORT DISTANCE BLOOD LOSS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A MAJOR FACTOR.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE SMALL CALIBERS WAS NOT THAT THEY WOULD NOT KILL IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT STOP OR KNOCK DOWN THE WARRIORS FAST ENOUGH. I USED TO RUN THE 100 YARD DASH IN 10 SECONDS FLAT SO IF A WARRIOR WAS COMING AT YOU AT THAT SPEED TIME WAS VERY SHORT. AT SHORTER DISTANCES TIME WOULD BE NEGLIBLE MOST OF US CAN HOLD OUR BREATH MORE THAN 10 SECONDS SO HOLES IN THE LUNGS WOULD NOT STOP YOU.
ROPE WAS MADE IN MANILA SO SOME TYPE OF HEMP WOULD HAVE BEEN GROWN AND AS MENTIONED OPIUM WAS PRESENT. THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS OF OTHER PLANTS WITH DRUG AND HALLUCIGENIC PROPERTIES IN THE JUNGLES.
IN MOST SOCIETIES WHO USED DRUGS ON WARRIORS BEFORE AN ATTACK USUALLY ALL WERE ADMINISTERED BY THE SHAMAN OR MEDICINE MAN. SO THE DANGER OF THE DRUG WOULD BE CONTROLLED AND THE USE OF THE DRUGS TRADITIONAL AND ACCEPTED BY THE SOCIETY.
POLICE HAVE HAD SOME FRIGHTENING ENCOUNTERS WITH PEOPLE ON PCP (ANIMAL TRANQLIZER), COCANE, HEROIN AND SPEED. WITH ALL OF THESE THE BODY CAN PREFORM HIGH ABOVE ITS USUAL OPERATING RANGES.
PSYCOREACTIVE DRUGS SUCH AS MAGIC AND SILICYBEN MUSHROOMS DO HIGHTEN VISION, SPEED AND STAMINA BUT UNLESS A VIOLENT STATE IS INDUCED BEFORE ADMINISTRATION USERS ARE NON VOLENT.
ITS POSSIBLE MAGIC MEDICINES WERE USED BY MORO WARRIORS AS THEY DID USE CHARMS AND DID HAVE BELIEFS IN EVIL EYES AND BEING BULLETPROOF AND SUCH. ALL THE STORIES I HEARD NEVER MENTIONED DRUGS AND THE LEGEND HAS BEEN BUILT UP ABOUT THE TIMES AND MORRO WARRIORS THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. THE SAME IS TRUE OF MANY WARRIORS IN MANY PLACES AND TIMES THRUOUT HISTORY.

20th April 2010, 12:50 AM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Nice topic. I too believe that they were not on drugs. I still wonder though what's the medical explanation for withstanding so many bullet wounds before being felled. Panglima Hassan's 33 hits before being stopped is a classic example. And if it was not the historian Robert Fulton who mentioned it, I wouldn't believe such was possible. Attached Images

20th April 2010, 01:20 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Well don't forget that the warrior didn't live long at all before blood loss and heart problems set in. Today there are those who are shot many times and are still able to pull off rounds at the police here in the US. Much easier to survive .38 caliber than a .45 caliber. Although I will not be shocked that perhaps some may have had some tubo or opium, as far as US accounts are concerned, drugs for this type of usage were not mentioned (as far as I know) and that would be something noteworthy like the Zulu plant concoction, or, at the very least, to use as a reason to denigrate the Moros even further in US Army eyes.

20th April 2010, 01:24 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	Agree with you Jose . I wonder if, for Juramentados at least, the secret was in the funeral bindings . I think they would minimize exit wounds and help keep blood loss down .

20th April 2010, 02:00 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE TIME INVOLVED IN AN ATTACK WAS VERY SHORT AND IF RUNNING AT FULL SPEED A SHORT DISTANCE BLOOD LOSS WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE A MAJOR FACTOR. THE PROBLEM WITH THE SMALL CALIBERS WAS NOT THAT THEY WOULD NOT KILL IT WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT STOP OR KNOCK DOWN THE WARRIORS FAST ENOUGH. I USED TO RUN THE 100 YARD DASH IN 10 SECONDS FLAT SO IF A WARRIOR WAS COMING AT YOU AT THAT SPEED TIME WAS VERY SHORT. AT SHORTER DISTANCES TIME WOULD BE NEGLIBLE MOST OF US CAN HOLD OUR BREATH MORE THAN 10 SECONDS SO HOLES IN THE LUNGS WOULD NOT STOP YOU. ROPE WAS MADE IN MANILA SO SOME TYPE OF HEMP WOULD HAVE BEEN GROWN AND AS MENTIONED OPIUM WAS PRESENT. THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS OF OTHER PLANTS WITH DRUG AND HALLUCIGENIC PROPERTIES IN THE JUNGLES. IN MOST SOCIETIES WHO USED DRUGS ON WARRIORS BEFORE AN ATTACK USUALLY ALL WERE ADMINISTERED BY THE SHAMAN OR MEDICINE MAN. SO THE DANGER OF THE DRUG WOULD BE CONTROLLED AND THE USE OF THE DRUGS TRADITIONAL AND ACCEPTED BY THE SOCIETY. POLICE HAVE HAD SOME FRIGHTENING ENCOUNTERS WITH PEOPLE ON PCP (ANIMAL TRANQLIZER), COCANE, HEROIN AND SPEED. WITH ALL OF THESE THE BODY CAN PREFORM HIGH ABOVE ITS USUAL OPERATING RANGES. PSYCOREACTIVE DRUGS SUCH AS MAGIC AND SILICYBEN MUSHROOMS DO HIGHTEN VISION, SPEED AND STAMINA BUT UNLESS A VIOLENT STATE IS INDUCED BEFORE ADMINISTRATION USERS ARE NON VOLENT. ITS POSSIBLE MAGIC MEDICINES WERE USED BY MORO WARRIORS AS THEY DID USE CHARMS AND DID HAVE BELIEFS IN EVIL EYES AND BEING BULLETPROOF AND SUCH. ALL THE STORIES I HEARD NEVER MENTIONED DRUGS AND THE LEGEND HAS BEEN BUILT UP ABOUT THE TIMES AND MORRO WARRIORS THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE. THE SAME IS TRUE OF MANY WARRIORS IN MANY PLACES AND TIMES THRUOUT HISTORY.