Quick dollar on eBay - saif

Battara · 18th April 2010, 10:20 PM

I see your point - should be reported to ebay

Dom · 19th April 2010, 12:36 AM

the marvellous should be not only for "Thousand and one night"

other sale (not yet ended),
I sent a message to the sailer request him to be serious,
to don't sale a contemporaneous Indian dagger copy, as an antique Syrian one

shall see the reaction ...

à +

Dom

ariel · 19th April 2010, 03:56 AM

There is a recent plethora of obviously fake " Arab/Persian/Turkish" swords on e-bay.
I would like to show 2 very suspicious ones: look at the blade pattern ( both ended for a LOT of money)

Am I totally mistaken?

kronckew · 19th April 2010, 07:11 AM

that last number no longer is valid. maybe dom's message worked.

i found the other interesting, as i have worked for aramco & spent 10 years in dhahran, ksa. i remember a sword similar to that ebay one (in post no. 1) in a souk in one of the main new modern shopping centres in al khobar, it was priced at around a hundred dollars and was obviously artificially antiqued and distressed. the shopkeeper admitted he bought them from a dealer in syria that had them made as 'turkish' decorators. i did not buy one.

ALEX · 19th April 2010, 08:11 AM

Ariel, you're certainly not mistaken. The second sword you showed is undoubtedly new. The first one is old - the fittings look proper as well as the pattern. it's just seller's reputation makes it difficult to see:-) as this is not the first time he's selling similar items.
See this, folks: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=syria
Erlikhan warned us (the second link from above post shows more pictures -- see the same cartouche template was used on the Pala i.e. the same workshop).
As Kronckew mentioned, these swords sell for $100-$200 from the source:-) They are souvenirs... a costly mistake. But the main mistake here is buyer's ignorance!!!

ariel · 20th April 2010, 09:44 PM

Here is another one, the blade is virtually identical. Went for >$4K...
What the ...blip... is going on?

ariel · 20th April 2010, 09:51 PM

#2

ALEX · 21st April 2010, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

..... What the ...blip... is going on?

... business as usual :-) And there are plenty of examples to prove that greed and ignorance mix well together. just a few recent ones:

1. you'd think: who'd pay $6000+ for a new Indian dagger? apparently there was a bidding war. The hilt is not jade. the word Nephrite was not used in description. "Jade" was a reference to a colour:-) it was actually quartz i.e. green aventurine stone. The dagger is not 19th or early 20th Century:-), but similar to $200-$400 offered on eBay.

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...7-63356f505432

2. the same is for these two daggers. but they even newer:-). sold as 18th Century.... for $7000+

http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot...ive_lot_id=219

The dealers see this, and do not want to miss out on opportunity. Today I saw one asking $15,000 for new Indian knife... I did not even bother to think:
"what the ...blip... is going on?" :-) :-) :-)

19th April 2010, 03:56 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There is a recent plethora of obviously fake " Arab/Persian/Turkish" swords on e-bay. I would like to show 2 very suspicious ones: look at the blade pattern ( both ended for a LOT of money) Am I totally mistaken? Attached Images

20th April 2010, 09:44 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Here is another one, the blade is virtually identical. Went for >$4K... What the ...blip... is going on? Attached Images

20th April 2010, 09:51 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	#2 Attached Images

18th April 2010, 10:20 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	I see your point - should be reported to ebay

19th April 2010, 12:36 AM	#2
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	the marvellous should be not only for "Thousand and one night" other sale (not yet ended), I sent a message to the sailer request him to be serious, to don't sale a contemporaneous Indian dagger copy, as an antique Syrian one shall see the reaction ... à + Dom

19th April 2010, 07:11 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,216	that last number no longer is valid. maybe dom's message worked. i found the other interesting, as i have worked for aramco & spent 10 years in dhahran, ksa. i remember a sword similar to that ebay one (in post no. 1) in a souk in one of the main new modern shopping centres in al khobar, it was priced at around a hundred dollars and was obviously artificially antiqued and distressed. the shopkeeper admitted he bought them from a dealer in syria that had them made as 'turkish' decorators. i did not buy one.

19th April 2010, 08:11 AM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Ariel, you're certainly not mistaken. The second sword you showed is undoubtedly new. The first one is old - the fittings look proper as well as the pattern. it's just seller's reputation makes it difficult to see:-) as this is not the first time he's selling similar items. See this, folks: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=syria Erlikhan warned us (the second link from above post shows more pictures -- see the same cartouche template was used on the Pala i.e. the same workshop). As Kronckew mentioned, these swords sell for $100-$200 from the source:-) They are souvenirs... a costly mistake. But the main mistake here is buyer's ignorance!!!