Keris and Rembrandt

kronckew · 16th April 2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

Agreed with David. I think it's a case of a cigar just being a cigar. Rembrandt was an enthnographic arms collector and included various ethnographic arms in his paintings.

edited:

(translation:"this is not a pipe.". this is also not a kris. this isn't a keris either.)

Gustav · 16th April 2010, 11:39 AM

C'est un kris?

kronckew · 16th April 2010, 12:30 PM

this is not a keris, it is an image of a keris

p.s. - this is not a kris either. this is an image of a kris.

of course, in classical thaumaturgy the image IS the object, it's the sympathetic magical law of similarity.....

A. G. Maisey · 17th April 2010, 01:56 PM

Kronckew in your most recent post you have made the most beautiful and most accurate statement I think I have ever seen in this discussion group:-

this is not a keris, it is an image of a keris

I thank you most sincerely for reminding us that when we look at an image on a computer screen, no matter how expertly that image has been prepared, it is still not the real thing, it is only something that acts upon our mind to conjure our own understanding of the real thing.

kronckew · 17th April 2010, 08:14 PM

a.g., you have most eloquently put into words the intent of my posts. words are also images.

...and sometimes provoke more thought than a graphic ever could. sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures as it allows your imagination to fill in the gaps...

i remember reading 'the talisman' in my youth, and there was, i believe, a chapter where king richard (the lionheart) meets saladin (Salah-ed-Din Yusef ibn Ayub), richard cuts an iron bar in half with his sword to impress him, and saladin responds by cutting a silk scarf in half by just floating it down onto the stationary edge.

how many pictures of that sword are in our minds now....

and the image in oil paint of the essential keris in sampson's eye will also be engraved somewhere in our hearts evermore...

drdavid · 18th April 2010, 02:34 AM

Please excuse my whimsy but this thread has taken me to one of my favourite images by Yoshitoshi

' a finger points at the moon but the finger is not itself the moon'
(Gesshu 17th C)

drd

kronckew · 18th April 2010, 06:19 AM

ah, great minds think alike.

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	this is not a keris, it is an image of a keris p.s. - this is not a kris either. this is an image of a kris. of course, in classical thaumaturgy the image IS the object, it's the sympathetic magical law of similarity..... Last edited by kronckew; 16th April 2010 at 12:50 PM.

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	a.g., you have most eloquently put into words the intent of my posts. words are also images. ...and sometimes provoke more thought than a graphic ever could. sometimes a word is worth a thousand pictures as it allows your imagination to fill in the gaps... i remember reading 'the talisman' in my youth, and there was, i believe, a chapter where king richard (the lionheart) meets saladin (Salah-ed-Din Yusef ibn Ayub), richard cuts an iron bar in half with his sword to impress him, and saladin responds by cutting a silk scarf in half by just floating it down onto the stationary edge. how many pictures of that sword are in our minds now.... and the image in oil paint of the essential keris in sampson's eye will also be engraved somewhere in our hearts evermore... Last edited by kronckew; 17th April 2010 at 08:30 PM.

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A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Kronckew in your most recent post you have made the most beautiful and most accurate statement I think I have ever seen in this discussion group:- this is not a keris, it is an image of a keris I thank you most sincerely for reminding us that when we look at an image on a computer screen, no matter how expertly that image has been prepared, it is still not the real thing, it is only something that acts upon our mind to conjure our own understanding of the real thing.