Thai's damar murub?

Moshah · 15th April 2010, 12:38 PM

Very well explained, PenangsangII.

You can not run away from the roots. Javanese keris making have made such a huge impact through the archipelago and therefore it's influences nourish even as far a place as patani would be. It's a pity that the keris history from this other side are not well documented, or not really documented at all.

However on the bright side, these kerises as what we called pandai saras, carita etc are still recognizable and sometimes found in such a condition that implies a well-respected care and maintenance are of the presence. Thus what we all have are the evidence and the theories, not a textbook.

Even though javanese influences are there, still the empus from this region are creative enough to come with new designs and different proportion of materials. It could be that the limited resources of the area are a factor of this, but still I think the material used in patani kerises are of good, comparable quality. Thus I learned to recognize pandai saras or any other patani keris from it's blade materials.

What limits me is palembang blades, which sometimes could exists with similar materials. It can get really confusing sometimes.

Anyway, thanks for your concise elaboration of the pandai saras, I learned new things today.

PenangsangII · 16th April 2010, 03:12 AM

Thks Moshah, I learned new things too.... and your pattani hurubing dhilah is one of a kind - the first time I saw coming from the northern Peninsula...

Unfortunately, this discussion is only 2 ways. I was kind of hoping others who have more experience, especially in Pattani kerises, would be joining this discussion.

Moshah · 16th April 2010, 11:14 AM

Agree, penangsangII. So far i've never seen a urubing dillah appears in pandai saras....

I also know there are few forum members whose not only possess extensive knowledge about pattani kerises, but also have high-standard pattani pieces in their collection.

The input from them would be very helpful, since it could be very informative if we can learn more out of it. Not only about the blade's origin, but also about this particular dapur.

Initially, I think it was a palembang piece but the more I look, the more it suggests pattani to me.

Anyway, was the hilt and sheath is also pattani?

16th April 2010, 11:14 AM	#3
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Agree, penangsangII. So far i've never seen a urubing dillah appears in pandai saras.... I also know there are few forum members whose not only possess extensive knowledge about pattani kerises, but also have high-standard pattani pieces in their collection. The input from them would be very helpful, since it could be very informative if we can learn more out of it. Not only about the blade's origin, but also about this particular dapur. Initially, I think it was a palembang piece but the more I look, the more it suggests pattani to me. Anyway, was the hilt and sheath is also pattani? Last edited by Moshah; 16th April 2010 at 11:24 AM.

15th April 2010, 12:38 PM	#1
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Very well explained, PenangsangII. You can not run away from the roots. Javanese keris making have made such a huge impact through the archipelago and therefore it's influences nourish even as far a place as patani would be. It's a pity that the keris history from this other side are not well documented, or not really documented at all. However on the bright side, these kerises as what we called pandai saras, carita etc are still recognizable and sometimes found in such a condition that implies a well-respected care and maintenance are of the presence. Thus what we all have are the evidence and the theories, not a textbook. Even though javanese influences are there, still the empus from this region are creative enough to come with new designs and different proportion of materials. It could be that the limited resources of the area are a factor of this, but still I think the material used in patani kerises are of good, comparable quality. Thus I learned to recognize pandai saras or any other patani keris from it's blade materials. What limits me is palembang blades, which sometimes could exists with similar materials. It can get really confusing sometimes. Anyway, thanks for your concise elaboration of the pandai saras, I learned new things today.

16th April 2010, 03:12 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Thks Moshah, I learned new things too.... and your pattani hurubing dhilah is one of a kind - the first time I saw coming from the northern Peninsula... Unfortunately, this discussion is only 2 ways. I was kind of hoping others who have more experience, especially in Pattani kerises, would be joining this discussion.