Keris and Rembrandt

ganjawulung · 15th April 2010, 11:42 AM

It seems a nine (9) luks keris. Kidang Soka? Sempana? Or seven (7) luks keris. Carubuk? One luk had already inside Samsom's eye... But it seems quite clear that the hilt used was Cirebonese "buta hilt". Look at the hand position of the buta... (pls zoom in)

GANJAWULUNG

A. G. Maisey · 15th April 2010, 01:54 PM

I have not seen the original of this painting, in fact, I have not even seen a good quality print of it.

All I have seen is the image in front of me on my computer screen.

I've Photoshopped that image through several magnifications and all I can see is a nondescript lump protruding from the mailed hand, and a very small section of flamboyant blade.

Based upon what I can see I would describe this dagger as simply one with a flamboyant blade.

I cannot see a keris anywhere.

stekemest · 15th April 2010, 02:36 PM

I know the original painting. It is in fact a keris, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to describe it in detail. Rembrandt was a collector of ethnographica, and he certainly painted a piece he owned himself.

A. G. Maisey · 15th April 2010, 02:56 PM

Thank you for this clarification, Stekemest.

So, in the original, it is possible to see the ganja and the assymetric base of the blade?

Gustav · 15th April 2010, 03:23 PM

Very probably I see there just what I used to see all the time I know this picture.

I thought, it were possible to see a difference between sirah cecak and buntut cecak, also a big pejetan (and wavy gonjo).

stekemest · 15th April 2010, 03:29 PM

Yes. This part is quite dark though, and it is hard to see all the details. I can try to get a better picture of this part.
The painting can be seen in the Städel Museum in Frankfurt. If anyone intends to go there, send me a message.

Rick · 15th April 2010, 03:54 PM

Here

David · 15th April 2010, 05:07 PM

Yes, i think this is clearly a keris and i hope that from the enlargements made you see this as well Alan. From the look of what i can see of the hilt i think it's a fair bet that it is the same keris Rembrandt depicts in this painting. From what i know he owned a couple of examples which he used as models for his paintings.

15th April 2010, 11:42 AM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Buta Hilt Keris It seems a nine (9) luks keris. Kidang Soka? Sempana? Or seven (7) luks keris. Carubuk? One luk had already inside Samsom's eye... But it seems quite clear that the hilt used was Cirebonese "buta hilt". Look at the hand position of the buta... (pls zoom in) GANJAWULUNG

15th April 2010, 03:23 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Very probably I see there just what I used to see all the time I know this picture. I thought, it were possible to see a difference between sirah cecak and buntut cecak, also a big pejetan (and wavy gonjo). Attached Images

15th April 2010, 03:54 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Here Attached Images

15th April 2010, 05:07 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Yes, i think this is clearly a keris and i hope that from the enlargements made you see this as well Alan. From the look of what i can see of the hilt i think it's a fair bet that it is the same keris Rembrandt depicts in this painting. From what i know he owned a couple of examples which he used as models for his paintings. Attached Images

15th April 2010, 01:54 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	I have not seen the original of this painting, in fact, I have not even seen a good quality print of it. All I have seen is the image in front of me on my computer screen. I've Photoshopped that image through several magnifications and all I can see is a nondescript lump protruding from the mailed hand, and a very small section of flamboyant blade. Based upon what I can see I would describe this dagger as simply one with a flamboyant blade. I cannot see a keris anywhere.

15th April 2010, 02:36 PM	#3
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	I know the original painting. It is in fact a keris, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to describe it in detail. Rembrandt was a collector of ethnographica, and he certainly painted a piece he owned himself.

15th April 2010, 02:56 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Thank you for this clarification, Stekemest. So, in the original, it is possible to see the ganja and the assymetric base of the blade?

15th April 2010, 03:29 PM	#6
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Yes. This part is quite dark though, and it is hard to see all the details. I can try to get a better picture of this part. The painting can be seen in the Städel Museum in Frankfurt. If anyone intends to go there, send me a message.