Sumatran / Bugis ID

Moshah · 28th October 2009, 01:31 AM

David, purposely I didn't attached the sheath because it suggests bona-fide Bugis..

However, sheath can be deceiving, I never relied on them alone..

Kai Wee, which form is familiar to u? Mind sharing it here?

BTW, could it be Palembang?

Sajen · 28th October 2009, 01:53 AM

Bugis Riau?

Which material is the handle?

sajen

Moshah · 28th October 2009, 02:33 AM

Hi Sajen,

The hilt is sea ivory, I've been told. Looks like a Palembang hilt, wasn't it?

I don't know very much about Bugis keris, didn't see very much good example as well, but I feel that this piece was no Bugis.

Was the sogokan is familiar to bugis keris?

BTW, the hilt, close-up:

David · 28th October 2009, 03:41 AM

Wow, the hilt is really sweet!
Moshah, the Bugis were all over the area. They had settlements everywhere. There were Bugis in Sumatra as well as many other areas. The Bugis were a seafaring peole. They got around. But the sheath looks Sulawesi to me.

Sajen · 28th October 2009, 11:54 PM

Very nice hilt but don't need to be from Palembang, every other region of Sumatra is possible, my 2 cent opinion.

kai · 30th October 2009, 10:39 AM

Hello Moshah,

Congrats, nice keris!

The carving work on this nice Jawa Demam is not typical for Palembang and does show some Bugis influence IMHO (carving details like the pattern on the throat).

Also, I wouldn't rule out a Sulawesi origin of the blade. Have been wrong before though...

Regards,
Kai

Moshah · 30th October 2009, 04:48 PM

Well fellas, it ain't mine yet...

However, the hilt's carving is something really new to me. And it looks like modernized motives being used. Pardon my knowledge, but that's what I see.

Is the carving only have Bugis' motives on the throat, instead of the whole carving works, Kai?

Yeah, David, Bugises were seafaring people, and now I understand why their influence is everywhere...BTW which part of the sheath are Sulawesi? The pendok? or the sampir / wronko?

28th October 2009, 01:31 AM	#1
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	David, purposely I didn't attached the sheath because it suggests bona-fide Bugis.. However, sheath can be deceiving, I never relied on them alone.. Kai Wee, which form is familiar to u? Mind sharing it here? BTW, could it be Palembang? Attached Images

28th October 2009, 02:33 AM	#3
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Hi Sajen, The hilt is sea ivory, I've been told. Looks like a Palembang hilt, wasn't it? I don't know very much about Bugis keris, didn't see very much good example as well, but I feel that this piece was no Bugis. Was the sogokan is familiar to bugis keris? BTW, the hilt, close-up: Attached Images

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28th October 2009, 01:53 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Bugis Riau? Which material is the handle? sajen

28th October 2009, 03:41 AM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Wow, the hilt is really sweet! Moshah, the Bugis were all over the area. They had settlements everywhere. There were Bugis in Sumatra as well as many other areas. The Bugis were a seafaring peole. They got around. But the sheath looks Sulawesi to me.

28th October 2009, 11:54 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Very nice hilt but don't need to be from Palembang, every other region of Sumatra is possible, my 2 cent opinion.

30th October 2009, 10:39 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Moshah, Congrats, nice keris! The carving work on this nice Jawa Demam is not typical for Palembang and does show some Bugis influence IMHO (carving details like the pattern on the throat). Also, I wouldn't rule out a Sulawesi origin of the blade. Have been wrong before though... Regards, Kai

30th October 2009, 04:48 PM	#7
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Well fellas, it ain't mine yet... However, the hilt's carving is something really new to me. And it looks like modernized motives being used. Pardon my knowledge, but that's what I see. Is the carving only have Bugis' motives on the throat, instead of the whole carving works, Kai? Yeah, David, Bugises were seafaring people, and now I understand why their influence is everywhere...BTW which part of the sheath are Sulawesi? The pendok? or the sampir / wronko?