Sudanese Arm Dagger For Comment

tom hyle · 2nd February 2005, 04:47 AM

I've seen them worn on the outside of the left arm, with the belt passing around the narrow part above the bicep/tricep mass, and the tip hanging downward in typical fashion.

Lew · 6th February 2005, 02:05 PM

Hi Tom

A few months ago I saw one of those 19 century orientalist paintings of a Sudanese warrior on ebay and he was wearing a large Tebu style dagger on his left forearm hilt faced down. The scabbard was Tuereg looking with a round brass arm band hold it in place. Unfortunately I was stupid and the auction ended before I was able to bid on it

By the way I just picked up another large karra dagger like the last one I posted it also has incriptions on the blade and I will post some pictures as soon as I can.

Lew

tom hyle · 6th February 2005, 03:52 PM

I have read of them worn this way, on the forearm, supposedly within the sleeve of a robe, and I have seen it in illustrations, but I don't think I've seen it in a photograph. Perhaps the fashion has changed over the years, too?

Kamil · 6th February 2005, 08:53 PM

I have heard the same, but what worries me is that all examples I have seen have rather loose sheaths; it would be not very practical to wear the knife with its hilt faced down...
BTW: Spring's African Arms and Armour, plate 3: isn't it a Tebu knife attached to the upper part of the sword's sheath?

Lew · 24th February 2005, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom hyle

I've seen them worn on the outside of the left arm, with the belt passing around the narrow part above the bicep/tricep mass, and the tip hanging downward in typical fashion.

Hi Tom

I found a black and white print of Sudanese warrior notice the position of ther dagger.

Lew

Conogre · 24th February 2005, 07:05 AM

Kamil, you're 100% correct about that being a tebu dagger affixed to the outside of the takouba scabbard worn by the Taureg in the photograph on plate 3 in Spring's....I posted a close up of that same picture several years ago in the old forum and even have mine displayed that way as a great space saver **grin**....that little leather strp fits the scabbard much better than my arm!!!!
The only knives I've seen with the wider bands have all been teleks, as opposed to the old illustrations with it on other style knives.
Heck, at that time the style that started this thread were still being attributed to having been derived from German daggers, a la Stone.
Mike

derek · 24th February 2005, 01:30 PM

This is elvoving in to the official African arm dagger thread, so I'm posting mine here. Also, I'll repeat my question here: Can anyone share a good resource for info on these styles? A book that (at least partly) focuses on N. African daggers?
-d

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2nd February 2005, 04:47 AM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I've seen them worn on the outside of the left arm, with the belt passing around the narrow part above the bicep/tricep mass, and the tip hanging downward in typical fashion.

6th February 2005, 02:05 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Tom A few months ago I saw one of those 19 century orientalist paintings of a Sudanese warrior on ebay and he was wearing a large Tebu style dagger on his left forearm hilt faced down. The scabbard was Tuereg looking with a round brass arm band hold it in place. Unfortunately I was stupid and the auction ended before I was able to bid on it By the way I just picked up another large karra dagger like the last one I posted it also has incriptions on the blade and I will post some pictures as soon as I can. Lew

6th February 2005, 03:52 PM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I have read of them worn this way, on the forearm, supposedly within the sleeve of a robe, and I have seen it in illustrations, but I don't think I've seen it in a photograph. Perhaps the fashion has changed over the years, too?

6th February 2005, 08:53 PM	#4
Kamil Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 33	I have heard the same, but what worries me is that all examples I have seen have rather loose sheaths; it would be not very practical to wear the knife with its hilt faced down... BTW: Spring's African Arms and Armour, plate 3: isn't it a Tebu knife attached to the upper part of the sword's sheath?

24th February 2005, 07:05 AM	#6
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	Kamil, you're 100% correct about that being a tebu dagger affixed to the outside of the takouba scabbard worn by the Taureg in the photograph on plate 3 in Spring's....I posted a close up of that same picture several years ago in the old forum and even have mine displayed that way as a great space saver grin....that little leather strp fits the scabbard much better than my arm!!!! The only knives I've seen with the wider bands have all been teleks, as opposed to the old illustrations with it on other style knives. Heck, at that time the style that started this thread were still being attributed to having been derived from German daggers, a la Stone. Mike

24th February 2005, 01:30 PM	#7
derek Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 215	This is elvoving in to the official African arm dagger thread, so I'm posting mine here. Also, I'll repeat my question here: Can anyone share a good resource for info on these styles? A book that (at least partly) focuses on N. African daggers? -d