Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

[Teisani]

c3 - Tomb effigy of Telegdi Miklós († before 1548, effigy made in 1563, 15 years later) - Tileagd/Mezőtelegd, Bihor county, Romania. Strange looking hilt, but worth including here, Not sure if koncerz or pallash.

Photo:http://www.kjnt.ro/ertektar/ertek/a-...rmatus-templom

[Teisani]

A few more acheological finds.

1 - Old type sabre with remarkably well preserved hilt fittings.
https://tula.bezformata.com/listnews...vka/112552478/
https://guns.club/news/events/tysyac...stavke-v-tule/
https://ti71.ru/photo/4239/
https://vestitula.ru/lenta/140871

2 - One posted by fellow forum member, Evgeny_K. Everything about it, the long quillons, the scabard fittings (look a bit like Thury György's and Skanderbeg's), even the Ottoman blade, screams "1550s-1610s rich man's sabre with a taste for Hungarian fashion".
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=15

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Originally Posted by Teisani

c3 - Tomb effigy of Telegdi Miklós († before 1548, effigy made in 1563, 15 years later) - Tileagd/Mezőtelegd, Bihor county, Romania. Strange looking hilt, but worth including here, Not sure if koncerz or pallash.

Photo:http://www.kjnt.ro/ertektar/ertek/a-...rmatus-templom

I would dintinguish a koncerz from a pallasch by the following:

The Koncerz was not worn at ones body because it was too long. Carried while attached to saddle. Also the Koncerz wasn´t meant for fencing on foot with its lenght > 120 cm (up to 170 cm). There may or may not have been shortened versions which could be used also for fencing but I would expect them to have a more complex hilt in Western style which would basically result in a Rapier..
A Pallasch, for those who may read this and don´t know, has a medium lenght (ca. 80-90 cm) but broad (3-4 cm) blade and can be single (later)- or double-edged (earlier examples). Earlier ones tend to have a centric point while those from the 2nd half of the 18th century up to the end of the Napoleonic times tend to have a hatchet tip in Austrian and Hungarian regions. Some countries like France and German states however kept the centric point up until this kind of sword went out of use.

Judging by the hilt of mentioned epitaph I would not be surprised if that sword turned out to be a double-edged side sword by the way - the borders to the definition of an early Pallasch seem to be very fluent and doubtlessly the later evolved from the sidesword.

[Teisani]

Hieronim Chryzostom Chodkiewicz 1598-1613. This portret should be from 1613.

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Jan Karol Chodkiewicz 1570-1621. The description says the painting is 19th century, but if so, that sabre looks very "late 16th century" to me. Just look at the long quillons and scabard fittings. He looks to be in his 30s here, so 1600 to 1610 fits the sabre's style. Reminds me of Marek Sobieski's sabre cross-guard. And Illésházy Ferenc's sabre a bit.

[Teisani]

Krzysztof Zbaraski 1579-1627. My guess, portret from 1622 to 1627, although the description says 1610s.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...ump-to-license

[Teisani]

Stanisław Żółkiewski 1547-1620

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Andrzej Firlej 1537-1585. Notice the gold wire wrap on the hilt. Same as on the Bathory and Bebek sabres.