A VERY DECORATED FLINTLOCK PISTOL FOR ID

Fernando K · 11th November 2017, 07:52 PM

Hello

The thesis of a percussion conversion to flint has no handle. There is nothing in the canyon that has been percussion. The lock, with false cup, is consistent, if as we maintain, the weapon is Belgian or continental
The different coloration or patina between the barrel and the lock is due to the fact that the barrel has been cleaned of its rust, to highlight the silver incrustations, which become inexorably black with the passage of time. The presence of caries or pitting, next to the shiny metal, prove it.

affectionately Fernando K

Pukka Bundook · 11th November 2017, 08:01 PM

Dear Fernando,

The lock would have originally been flint, and at some time altered to percussion, Then, later back to flint.
The easiest method of converting to percussion, is with the drum and nipple arrangement. This entails drilling out the touchhole to a larger size, tapping, and screwing in a drum containing the nipple.
This type of conversion was very common, and these days Many are being converted back, as a flint is worth more generally then a converted percussion piece.
I hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.

The patination on the barrel and the rest of the lock are consistent, and much more visible than on the (newer I think) cock , pan and steel, (or frizzen).
Yes you are very correct, a lock made in Europe very often had a separate pan fitted, as I said in my post above.

Kindest regards,
Richard.

Fernando K · 11th November 2017, 09:41 PM

Dear Pukka

What he manifests is imaginative. there is no record of the successive transformations.

Affectionately. Fernando K

fernando · 11th November 2017, 09:56 PM

Although tocayo, this is not the first time i hear about 'successive' modifications. I confess that this 'diagnosis' i once received for a pistol of mine was doubtful for me, but ...

Fernando K · 11th November 2017, 11:44 PM

Dear namesake

Of course, there are transformations. But in this case it is not theory, it must be demonstrated based on elements that are mentioned and that can be seen in the piece ...

A hug

Fernando K

Pukka Bundook · 12th November 2017, 12:50 AM

Fernando K, my dear friend,

At times I am baffled by our use of a common language,
To me, it means one thing, to others something very different.

I will try again to say what I mean, and will thereafter in this case, "forever hold my peace".

What I have to say it this; The lock and barrel have the same patina.
The cock and frizzen And pan appear to not have this same patina, they look cleaner and newer to me. Not brand new, but newer.. The pan still has the milling marks on the inside.

To me, this can mean that these parts are Possibly replacements.

I will not go into Why they would be replaced, but logic dictates that they were either damaged or missing.

There my friend. I have done my best, and must leave it now.
I hope to at least to be understandable in what I say, and will not fall out if we disagree.

I am not saying I am right, this is just what I think.

Kind regards,
Richard.

rickystl · 19th November 2017, 06:28 PM

Hi Cerjak.

WOW!!! What a beautiful pistol !! And a real curiosity.
It has styling cues of both earlier and later periods. Which is actually common for pistols made in/for the Eastern market. But this one is exceptional. The decoration, with it's face masks on the lock plate and barrel look like a mix of English and Indian. So the final assembly possibly in India may be as good a guess as any. The spurios "variation" of the Twigg name makes me think the pistol was not assembled in Europe. It does seem this pistol was commissioned for a specific customer. And the workmanship is top notch. The lock is very high quality, and certainly up to European snuff. I notice it has the bridless pan, an earlier feature. As Richard mentions, I too can see the difference in patina of the hammer, pan, frizzen, and even the frizzen spring. If they were replaced, it was certainly a first class job. The face of the frizzen looks like it has never seen a flint struck against it. Curious. But the one photo showing the vent hole does not, to me, look like the barrel had been altered previously. And the vent hole sits at the perfect position above the pan. Just my observations.

Again, it's a beautiful and super interesting pistol.

Rick

12th November 2017, 12:50 AM	#6
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Fernando K, my dear friend, At times I am baffled by our use of a common language, To me, it means one thing, to others something very different. I will try again to say what I mean, and will thereafter in this case, "forever hold my peace". What I have to say it this; The lock and barrel have the same patina. The cock and frizzen And pan appear to not have this same patina, they look cleaner and newer to me. Not brand new, but newer.. The pan still has the milling marks on the inside. To me, this can mean that these parts are Possibly replacements. I will not go into Why they would be replaced, but logic dictates that they were either damaged or missing. There my friend. I have done my best, and must leave it now. I hope to at least to be understandable in what I say, and will not fall out if we disagree. I am not saying I am right, this is just what I think. Kind regards, Richard. Last edited by Pukka Bundook; 12th November 2017 at 01:26 AM.

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11th November 2017, 07:52 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello The thesis of a percussion conversion to flint has no handle. There is nothing in the canyon that has been percussion. The lock, with false cup, is consistent, if as we maintain, the weapon is Belgian or continental The different coloration or patina between the barrel and the lock is due to the fact that the barrel has been cleaned of its rust, to highlight the silver incrustations, which become inexorably black with the passage of time. The presence of caries or pitting, next to the shiny metal, prove it. affectionately Fernando K

11th November 2017, 08:01 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Dear Fernando, The lock would have originally been flint, and at some time altered to percussion, Then, later back to flint. The easiest method of converting to percussion, is with the drum and nipple arrangement. This entails drilling out the touchhole to a larger size, tapping, and screwing in a drum containing the nipple. This type of conversion was very common, and these days Many are being converted back, as a flint is worth more generally then a converted percussion piece. I hope this clarifies what I was trying to say. The patination on the barrel and the rest of the lock are consistent, and much more visible than on the (newer I think) cock , pan and steel, (or frizzen). Yes you are very correct, a lock made in Europe very often had a separate pan fitted, as I said in my post above. Kindest regards, Richard.

11th November 2017, 09:41 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear Pukka What he manifests is imaginative. there is no record of the successive transformations. Affectionately. Fernando K

11th November 2017, 09:56 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Although tocayo, this is not the first time i hear about 'successive' modifications. I confess that this 'diagnosis' i once received for a pistol of mine was doubtful for me, but ...

11th November 2017, 11:44 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Dear namesake Of course, there are transformations. But in this case it is not theory, it must be demonstrated based on elements that are mentioned and that can be seen in the piece ... A hug Fernando K

19th November 2017, 06:28 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Cerjak. WOW!!! What a beautiful pistol !! And a real curiosity. It has styling cues of both earlier and later periods. Which is actually common for pistols made in/for the Eastern market. But this one is exceptional. The decoration, with it's face masks on the lock plate and barrel look like a mix of English and Indian. So the final assembly possibly in India may be as good a guess as any. The spurios "variation" of the Twigg name makes me think the pistol was not assembled in Europe. It does seem this pistol was commissioned for a specific customer. And the workmanship is top notch. The lock is very high quality, and certainly up to European snuff. I notice it has the bridless pan, an earlier feature. As Richard mentions, I too can see the difference in patina of the hammer, pan, frizzen, and even the frizzen spring. If they were replaced, it was certainly a first class job. The face of the frizzen looks like it has never seen a flint struck against it. Curious. But the one photo showing the vent hole does not, to me, look like the barrel had been altered previously. And the vent hole sits at the perfect position above the pan. Just my observations. Again, it's a beautiful and super interesting pistol. Rick