The EARLY MAKERS TRADE MARKS thread... lost and partly restored.

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Old 4th August 2016, 09:03 PM #291

Posted by:
blue lander
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Does anybody recognize this mark?

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Old 4th August 2016, 09:51 PM #292

Posted by:
Jim McDougall
EAA Research Consultant

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Originally Posted by blue lander
Does anybody recognize this mark? (Quote)


What sort of blade is this on?
Unusual to see this kind of cartouche on tang rather than blade.
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Old 4th August 2016, 09:52 PM #293

Posted by:
fernando
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Yes, it should be interesting to see the whole blade.
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Old 5th August 2016, 08:58 PM #294

Posted by:
blue lander
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It is indeed an interesting blade which I unfortunately did not win the auction for

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Old 6th August 2016, 07:41 AM #295

Posted by:
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
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Originally Posted by blue lander
It is indeed an interesting blade which I unfortunately did not win the auction for (Qote)

Interesting court dagger?... Probably European perhaps Louis XV1 ? Is there more information at the throat... ?
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Old 6th August 2016, 08:47 AM #296

Posted by:
ulfberth
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Originally Posted by blue lander
It is indeed an interesting blade which I unfortunately did not win the auction for (Quote)


Hi Blue Lander,

I would be not to regretful, in my opinion that blade is a shortened sword blade of a late 18th C military officers sword.
Just look how the fuller runs trough right to the end , on this type of blade it should stop before the end, more or less two third of the blade length.
The edges on the side of the fuller are sharpened.
Also the length of the ricasso would be totally out of proportion.
Here is a sword with a similar type of blade.

kind regards

Ulfberth

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Old 6th August 2016, 07:58 PM #297

Posted by:
Jim McDougall
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66

Well caught Ulfberht!!
That looks exactly like what this is. It of course begs the question, why was this cut down? While we know that Scottish sword hilts were often cut down to become dirks. In India of course, the well known instances and practice of cutting down European blades to be used in katars are legion.

In Africa, French cavalry blades were constantly the fodder for the native swords of Mali, and others. By the same token French bayonets became well used as s'boula and other dagger forms.

But in Europe, blades being repurposed in these manners seems atypical, so could this have been an ethnographically repurposed at some time, then at some point, the hilt removed or come apart?

Finding that cartouche is of interest also, and seems familiar, perhaps Bezdek et al ?
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