strange Portuguese (?) sabre

carlos · 24th July 2016, 03:22 PM

What a curious piece !!
Is possible after REAL FABRICA come the word Toledo?
Very interesting piece

Carlos

Fernando K · 25th July 2016, 12:10 PM

hELLO

om spanish REAL FABRICA DE..............

Fernando K

fernando · 25th July 2016, 12:44 PM

The Real Fabrica de Espadas was founded by Carlos III in 1761, in the old Toledo Coin Mint, much later than the date inscribed in this specimen ... which i still suggest it is a decorative item

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Jim McDougall · 25th July 2016, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

The Real Fabrica de Espadas was founded by Carlos III in 1761, in the old Toledo Coin Mint, much later than the date inscribed in this specimen ... which i still suggest it is a decorative item

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I totally agree this 'phantastic' sword seems flamboyant enough to be something decorative. But I wonder, the script with date, might that be something commemorative?
Recently I have been working on Masonic situations with various edged weapons, and it seems that in the case of the swords used by the 'tylers' as well as general members in rituals and ceremonies, were often rather flamboyant. Some to the point of 'fantasy' I suppose.

Is it possible this might be some ceremonial item from perhaps latter 19th century that might have been from the many military orders or fraternal groups either Masonic or associated?

These often bizarre pieces (often with skull and crossbones; hand type hilts; unusual and complex hilts with symbolic ornamentation etc) seem to be relatively unrecorded (in the supposed secrecy of these groups).

Aside from these, there are the cases of theatrical props, which were often produced to carry certain themes in the characters they were used by .

Just thoughts of possibilities,

mariusgmioc · 26th July 2016, 12:49 PM

The pointy crossguard arms bent towards the hilt render the sword almost impossible to handle without risk of injury, I think.

I wonder if the blade is even steel or plain iron.

Cerjak · 28th July 2016, 02:04 PM

This kind of sword could be found In tourist shops and I realy don't think That there is any interest to discuss about such "Crazy" sword.
Best
Cerjak

fernando · 28th July 2016, 03:02 PM

Amen

26th July 2016, 12:49 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	The pointy crossguard arms bent towards the hilt render the sword almost impossible to handle without risk of injury, I think. I wonder if the blade is even steel or plain iron. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 26th July 2016 at 01:01 PM.

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24th July 2016, 03:22 PM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 749	What a curious piece !! Is possible after REAL FABRICA come the word Toledo? Very interesting piece Carlos

25th July 2016, 12:10 PM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	hELLO om spanish REAL FABRICA DE.............. Fernando K

25th July 2016, 12:44 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	The Real Fabrica de Espadas was founded by Carlos III in 1761, in the old Toledo Coin Mint, much later than the date inscribed in this specimen ... which i still suggest it is a decorative item .

28th July 2016, 02:04 PM	#6
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	This kind of sword could be found In tourist shops and I realy don't think That there is any interest to discuss about such "Crazy" sword. Best Cerjak

28th July 2016, 03:02 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Amen