Any Amazon collectors?

KuKulzA28 · 28th April 2013, 03:38 PM

the bat looks like Kayapo weaponry to me

I agree, some of them have very nice geometric weaving, like that one

ashoka · 15th June 2013, 03:10 PM

Just to show the range of size and shapes of some of these old Amazon Makana and Sapakana from Guyana/Guiana and Brazil, here are some photos of a friends collection, some nice examples pretty much showing all the forms used for bashing heads... enjoy! Stefan

VANDOO · 15th June 2013, 05:33 PM

WOW!!! WHAT A REMARKABLE COLLECTION SOMETHING THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THRU MANY YEARS OF COLLECTING. THANKS FOR SHAREING

ashoka · 15th June 2013, 06:18 PM

Thanks Barry. Yes years of collecting and quite some dedication to the subject. These things in particular look good in a group. Apparantly once you have one you want them all...

Sajen · 15th June 2013, 09:33 PM

What a magnificent collection! Thanks to your friend and you for sharing.

Regards,

Detlef

KuKulzA28 · 16th June 2013, 01:26 AM

I am in awe... there are so many real examples of clubs I have only seen sketches of. This is amazing.

Well, I can't possibly show that sort of volume... but, I got a Yanomamö dueling club recently. It, like most things made by them, are made of natural materials, with no decor, and relatively simple but effective. You can see them briefly in the famous "Axe fight" scene, here. They began fighting with roof poles, and normally would have escalated to a club duel with these wooden-sword/shortstaff style clubs... but it escalated right into an ax/machete fight.

These are incredibly rare in collections, I know of only 2, mine and the one in the American Museum of Natural History.

VANDOO · 16th June 2013, 05:33 AM

I WOULD THINK THE COLLECTOR WHO HAS THIS COLLECTION WOULD HAVE QUITE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THESE WEAPONS AND COULD ANSWER MANY QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THE SHORT HOURGLASS SHAPED CLUBS SOMETIMES HAVE TRIBAL DESIGNS.
FOCUSING ON THEM.
1. DO DIFFERENT DESIGNS TELL WHICH TRIBE AND REGION THEY CAME FROM.?
2. ARE MOST OF THE TRIBES MAKEING THESE CLUBS COASTAL TRIBES OF CARIB ORIGIONS?
3. WHICH ONES ARE WAR CLUBS AND ARE SOME OF THESE CLUBS FOR CEREMONIAL USE OR TO DENOTE PRESTIGE OR RANK OF THE OWNER.?

KuKulzA28 · 18th December 2013, 05:43 AM

Regarding Post #51 with the Ikpeng sword-bat

I found a video, at 3 minutes you see the kids showing two such clubs
the raised area on one side and the shallow furrow on the other is clear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TOirYOJEt4

Tim Simmons · 9th January 2014, 10:53 AM

I took a picture of these two clubs in the Dhalem Berlin. They are from Micronesia. I cannot remember the exact Island group. I add them here just to show how similar they are to Amazon clubs.

15th June 2013, 03:10 PM	#2
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	Just to show the range of size and shapes of some of these old Amazon Makana and Sapakana from Guyana/Guiana and Brazil, here are some photos of a friends collection, some nice examples pretty much showing all the forms used for bashing heads... enjoy! Stefan Attached Images

16th June 2013, 01:26 AM	#6
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I am in awe... there are so many real examples of clubs I have only seen sketches of. This is amazing. Well, I can't possibly show that sort of volume... but, I got a Yanomamö dueling club recently. It, like most things made by them, are made of natural materials, with no decor, and relatively simple but effective. You can see them briefly in the famous "Axe fight" scene, here. They began fighting with roof poles, and normally would have escalated to a club duel with these wooden-sword/shortstaff style clubs... but it escalated right into an ax/machete fight. These are incredibly rare in collections, I know of only 2, mine and the one in the American Museum of Natural History. Attached Images

9th January 2014, 10:53 AM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	I took a picture of these two clubs in the Dhalem Berlin. They are from Micronesia. I cannot remember the exact Island group. I add them here just to show how similar they are to Amazon clubs. Attached Images

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28th April 2013, 03:38 PM	#1
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	the bat looks like Kayapo weaponry to me I agree, some of them have very nice geometric weaving, like that one

15th June 2013, 05:33 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WOW!!! WHAT A REMARKABLE COLLECTION SOMETHING THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND THRU MANY YEARS OF COLLECTING. THANKS FOR SHAREING

15th June 2013, 06:18 PM	#4
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	Thanks Barry. Yes years of collecting and quite some dedication to the subject. These things in particular look good in a group. Apparantly once you have one you want them all...

15th June 2013, 09:33 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	What a magnificent collection! Thanks to your friend and you for sharing. Regards, Detlef

16th June 2013, 05:33 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I WOULD THINK THE COLLECTOR WHO HAS THIS COLLECTION WOULD HAVE QUITE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THESE WEAPONS AND COULD ANSWER MANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW THE SHORT HOURGLASS SHAPED CLUBS SOMETIMES HAVE TRIBAL DESIGNS. FOCUSING ON THEM. 1. DO DIFFERENT DESIGNS TELL WHICH TRIBE AND REGION THEY CAME FROM.? 2. ARE MOST OF THE TRIBES MAKEING THESE CLUBS COASTAL TRIBES OF CARIB ORIGIONS? 3. WHICH ONES ARE WAR CLUBS AND ARE SOME OF THESE CLUBS FOR CEREMONIAL USE OR TO DENOTE PRESTIGE OR RANK OF THE OWNER.?

18th December 2013, 05:43 AM	#8
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Regarding Post #51 with the Ikpeng sword-bat I found a video, at 3 minutes you see the kids showing two such clubs the raised area on one side and the shallow furrow on the other is clear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TOirYOJEt4