20th April 2012, 10:08 PM | #1 |
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Pamor Udan Mas
Here is yet another on of my kerises.
This blade can not be very old, but I bought it mainly for the pamor. Thanks! Dan |
20th April 2012, 11:43 PM | #2 |
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A very well controlled pamor; I like the blade .
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May it bring you riches and prosperity .
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Nice blade. I have one very very similar, and think both are recent manufacture. May I suggest you to provide better hilt and mendak?
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Agree, a good hilt and mendak and you have a nice recent keris. Regards, Detlef |
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21st May 2012, 09:28 AM | #10 |
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Another similar piece from my collection and also recent, sorry for the picture quality.
I would like to mention that a specific problem frequently encountered when collecting recently made krisses is that there are many twins on the market (from the same maker?), which is a bit irritating if you aim at owning unique pieces... Regards |
21st May 2012, 11:27 AM | #11 |
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Jean,
You make an excellent point! The similarities are amazing. It would be interesting to know if they were forged by the same person. Dan |
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Yeah, this is actually related to the other thread about collecting new krisses. It would be nice if Gio could show us his similar blade as well for comparison purpose. I attach another picture of my kris from the other side of the blade. Regards Jean |
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21st May 2012, 02:53 PM | #13 |
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It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade .
Good workmanship but a little unimaginative in execution . |
21st May 2012, 04:25 PM | #14 |
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Just for grins - I threw this together real fast to compare our pamor patterns.
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21st May 2012, 10:36 PM | #16 |
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Simple dhapur.
Simple pamor. Same time period. Same point of geographic origin. All blades competently made. Do we really expect to see any variation? This is what the appraisal of keris is all about:- they are not supposed to display invention and imagination, they are supposed to display uniformity. Think about it:- if a keris is produced for local consumption, it needs to be made within very narrow parameters in order to be fitted to a correctly formed and proportioned set of dress. If the maker is working to a uniform pattern in one dimension of his work, its no real big effort to maintain that uniformity. If you look at a selection of very high quality, but simple, Javanese blades from, say, the PBX era, you will find similar uniformity, even though the makers are different. When we move from simplicity to complexity, say a dhapur with full ricikan, or a complex twist pamor, yes, there we will find the variation in execution that points to different hands being involved. |
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Alan,
Thank you, that makes perfect sense. Dan |
27th May 2012, 03:58 PM | #18 |
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Hi Jean,
Here is my blade. Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today. |
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24th January 2022, 12:21 PM | #21 |
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An UDAN MAS blade I spotted with 3 in a row dot arrangment.
Said to be a Tuban blade. Last edited by Paul B.; 24th January 2022 at 01:46 PM. |
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Paul, it would be very unusual for a Tuban blade to have this pamor.
Tuban was not known for producing manipulated pamors of any kind. A full length photo + a photo of the top of the gonjo would be useful in assisting a possible identification. |
27th January 2022, 11:04 AM | #23 |
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Here are some extra pics. Would welcome input.
It is really a big, strong and beefy blade. Maybe the pics don't tell. |
27th January 2022, 07:12 PM | #24 |
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The pics tell very clearly Paul.
I would definitely accept this blade as stylistically Tuban. Quite unusual I think. I cannot recall seeing a Tuban blade with manipulated pamor. The details appear pretty crisp do we know where this has been? Reason I ask is because we expect Tuban blades to be old, rather than young, but if this went to Europe a two or three hundred years ago, it could well look like this |
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