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dbhmgb 20th April 2012 09:08 PM

Pamor Udan Mas
 
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Here is yet another on of my kerises.

This blade can not be very old, but I bought it mainly for the pamor.

Thanks!
Dan

Rick 20th April 2012 10:43 PM

A very well controlled pamor; I like the blade .

dbhmgb 20th April 2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
A very well controlled pamor; I like the blade .


Thanks! I had seen other Udan Mas blades (I think on this site) and they appealed to me quite a bit. When I saw this, I knew it was for me.

Rick 21st April 2012 02:55 AM

May it bring you riches and prosperity . :)

asomotif 21st April 2012 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick
A very well controlled pamor; I like the blade .


Yep, fully agree, no matter what age. :)

dbhmgb 21st April 2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick
May it bring you riches and prosperity . :)


I'm open to that, I could use a rain of gold right now! Heck, I'd settle for a light shower... :D

GIO 21st April 2012 07:20 PM

Nice blade. I have one very very similar, and think both are recent manufacture. May I suggest you to provide better hilt and mendak?

Sajen 21st April 2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GIO
Nice blade. I have one very very similar, and think both are recent manufacture. May I suggest you to provide better hilt and mendak?



Agree, a good hilt and mendak and you have a nice recent keris.

Regards,

Detlef

dbhmgb 20th May 2012 09:50 PM

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Agree, a good hilt and mendak and you have a nice recent keris.

Regards,

Detlef


Done.

Jean 21st May 2012 08:28 AM

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Another similar piece from my collection and also recent, sorry for the picture quality.
I would like to mention that a specific problem frequently encountered when collecting recently made krisses is that there are many twins on the market (from the same maker?), which is a bit irritating if you aim at owning unique pieces...
Regards

dbhmgb 21st May 2012 10:27 AM

Jean,

You make an excellent point!

The similarities are amazing. It would be interesting to know if they were forged by the same person.

Dan

Jean 21st May 2012 12:02 PM

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Jean,

You make an excellent point!

The similarities are amazing. It would be interesting to know if they were forged by the same person.

Dan


Hi Dan,
Yeah, this is actually related to the other thread about collecting new krisses. It would be nice if Gio could show us his similar blade as well for comparison purpose.
I attach another picture of my kris from the other side of the blade.
Regards
Jean

Rick 21st May 2012 01:53 PM

It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade .

Good workmanship but a little unimaginative in execution . :shrug:

dbhmgb 21st May 2012 03:25 PM

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Just for grins - I threw this together real fast to compare our pamor patterns.

Jean 21st May 2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
It is the pattern of the udan mas that is the same here; 2 1 2 1 2 1 and so on down the blade .


Right observation Rick, thanks. This type of repeating pattern seems standard on many modern UM blades. The shape and dapur of both blades also look similar, mine is 37.5 cm long excluding the peksi and was probably made in Madura.
Regards

A. G. Maisey 21st May 2012 09:36 PM

Simple dhapur.

Simple pamor.

Same time period.

Same point of geographic origin.

All blades competently made.

Do we really expect to see any variation?

This is what the appraisal of keris is all about:- they are not supposed to display invention and imagination, they are supposed to display uniformity.

Think about it:- if a keris is produced for local consumption, it needs to be made within very narrow parameters in order to be fitted to a correctly formed and proportioned set of dress. If the maker is working to a uniform pattern in one dimension of his work, its no real big effort to maintain that uniformity.

If you look at a selection of very high quality, but simple, Javanese blades from, say, the PBX era, you will find similar uniformity, even though the makers are different.

When we move from simplicity to complexity, say a dhapur with full ricikan, or a complex twist pamor, yes, there we will find the variation in execution that points to different hands being involved.

dbhmgb 21st May 2012 09:42 PM

Alan,

Thank you, that makes perfect sense.

Dan

GIO 27th May 2012 02:58 PM

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Hi Jean,
Here is my blade.
Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today.

Jean 28th May 2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by GIO
Hi Jean,
Here is my blade.
Sorry for the bad pics: it is cloudy today.


Thanks Gio, the blade looks similar indeed but from the pictures the pamor pattern is less regular than on the 2 others, may be made by a different person? :)
Regards

GIO 29th May 2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean
Thanks Gio, the blade looks similar indeed but from the pictures the pamor pattern is less regular than on the 2 others, may be made by a different person? :)
Regards


Yes, Jean. I seems that in my kris the dots are not regularly spread over the blade.


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