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Old 11th October 2012, 03:38 PM   #1
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Default knife for identification

It measures 28 cm long
some designs on the metal sheath
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Old 11th October 2012, 05:05 PM   #2
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Not really my area, but I had one very similar. I suspect a Spanish or "Mediterrian (sp?)" dirk; circa 1800-1850, maybe earlier. Nice piece.

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Old 11th October 2012, 05:14 PM   #3
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Looks to me like a type often known as a "Mediterranian Dirk", so would be Italian or Spanish and date to the late 18th to late 19th Century. You can see examples in "Swords and Daggers" by Frederic Wilkinson, and in "Fighting Knives of the Western World" which I think is by Russel Robinson...though I could be wrong on the author there as I have mislaid my copy. A nice piece to have, and looks a good example of the type.
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Old 11th October 2012, 06:02 PM   #4
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I agree. It seems to be a type I know as a vendetta dagger. Take a look at this link and see if you agree.

http://arms2armor.com/store/product1148.html
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Old 11th October 2012, 06:15 PM   #5
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Damn, those are some nifty inlays in the handle of the knife you link to, mross! Looks to be mother of pearl and tortoise/sea turtle shell. Very neatly done!
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Old 11th October 2012, 06:59 PM   #6
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It measures 28 cm long
some designs on the metal sheath
Hi
it's looks as a "stiletto" Genoa fashion (Italy), period around 20th
may be it has a system, have a look near the ricasso, if the blade couldn't be hidden for a part
if it's the case; let me know, and I'll give you the reason

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Old 11th October 2012, 07:13 PM   #7
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It's Spanish.
Made in Albacete in I'd guess the later 19thC.
Very nice to have it's original scabbard and locking sprung pin.
I believe that those who collect these and wish to obcess over categorising the individual types (Like me but I don't have one of this type ) Categorise this particular type as 'type C'.
It's a very nice example and would sit well with my types A and B if you ever want to find a new home for it!

I did some investigating of these because I love mine so much, I'm sure I'll have saved some pictures somewhere. I'll have a look and get back to you.

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Old 11th October 2012, 07:20 PM   #8
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As an interesting aside. In a previous discussion Migueldiaz showed us this picture, where interestingly he noted that: "the origin is being attributed to philippines by the museum (victor balaguer)."

So either PERFECT copies were made in the Phillipines, or these were popular there as imports.
I suspect the latter as Albacete was a centre for knife making.
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Has someone gone over it with fine sandpaper?
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:47 PM   #11
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the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:50 PM   #12
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the two-part brass of the knife on your picture are not pierced as on mine!!!
photos philippine museum
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Old 11th October 2012, 07:38 PM   #13
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Here are my type A and B.
You can see the similarities between the types.

Some other forumites are into these. Carlos has a very fine collection the Type B, double edged types.
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