Help with Yatagan no.1 inscriptions

triglav · 30th October 2017, 01:53 PM

Hello, Since my father died in February I try to learn more about 3 items from his Balkan collection. 2 Yatagas and 1knife. Yatagan which I post first is 65 cm long (only blade). It has lot of inscription which looks like Arabic, some signature (like owner or sword maker) also in other side of the blade. Metal looks old with rust spots but quality made, to me . Also signatures are written contra side as seen on other Yatagans. Along the cutting edge on both sides, dark line is seen.. like tempered (hardened)part- seen when turning the blade towards the sun light.
I will be happy for any information.
Thank you and best regards,
B.S.

Robert · 30th October 2017, 06:13 PM

If you are looking for help with a translation please include at least one photo of the complete sword.

Best,
Robert

triglav · 30th October 2017, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

If you are looking for help with a translation please include at least one photo of the complete sword.

Best,
Robert

Sorry Robert, complete Yatagan added to my post.
Thank you and best regsrds,
Bojan

Ian · 31st October 2017, 05:15 PM

Hello Bojan:

Thanks for posting the additional picture of the complete sword.

As I look at the inscriptions on the blade (none of which I can read, by the way) it seems that you have at least three different script forms. Also, the blade has a prominent T-spine.

Although I own several yataghan, I am no expert on them. This looks like an interesting sword and I look forward to hearing what the experts have to say about it.

Welcome to the Forum.

Ian.

Norman McCormick · 31st October 2017, 05:44 PM

Hi Bojan,
I can see a date but the last numeral is difficult to read. I think it translates as 1213 A.H. which would convert to 1798/99 A.D.
Regards,
Norman.

Edster · 31st October 2017, 06:30 PM

Hi Bojan,

One of the designs looks like a take-off on a Tughra or monogram of Ottoman sultans. Each sultan had an individual design, but seemed to follow a standard design theme. See link. Translation of the inscribed text may shed some light on its history, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughra

Regards,
Ed

triglav · 31st October 2017, 06:40 PM

Maybe Ottoman date 1211, don't know about two vertical lines " -_". Blede is heavy T shape almost 1 cm wide at the back. Blade is not flat but has nice profile towards the cutting edge like in 18.th century calvary swords, I din't saw this type of edge in other Yatagans. Correctly, writtings looks like in thre diferent styles. Also see some numbers in last bold text...very interestig.
Hope to find out what are the meanings the rest of the texts.
Bojan

Norman McCormick · 1st November 2017, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triglav

Maybe Ottoman date 1211

Hi Bojan,
Could be, so that would make it 1796 A.D.
Regards,
Norman.

triglav · 3rd November 2017, 06:43 AM

The rest of diferent signatures realy needs a Turk language expert. Last bolded text were made with a tehniqe that I never saw before..letters are made and filled with tiny "rounded" lines, not hamerred like rest of the signatures..Also find some numbers in this "bolded" text..
Thank you and best regards,
Bojan

mariusgmioc · 3rd November 2017, 01:23 PM

I wonder what happened to Zifir as he didn't post anything lately but in the past he helped me with the translation on a Turkish Yataghan?!

triglav · 4th November 2017, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I wonder what happened to Zifir as he didn't post anything lately but in the past he helped me with the translation on a Turkish Yataghan?!

Hope that Mr. Zifir is ok. I read his profesional translations of Ottomam writtings.
Thank you and best regards to all,
Bojan

triglav · 27th November 2017, 05:34 AM

Hope to find out at least in which languages are this diferent styles of texts..
Thank you and best regards,
Bojan S.

kwiatek · 20th October 2019, 04:22 PM

The date is 1214 (1799-1800). The final 4 is written Persian-style (۴) not Arabic (٤)

30th October 2017, 01:53 PM	#1
triglav Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8	Help with Yatagan no.1 inscriptions Hello, Since my father died in February I try to learn more about 3 items from his Balkan collection. 2 Yatagas and 1knife. Yatagan which I post first is 65 cm long (only blade). It has lot of inscription which looks like Arabic, some signature (like owner or sword maker) also in other side of the blade. Metal looks old with rust spots but quality made, to me . Also signatures are written contra side as seen on other Yatagans. Along the cutting edge on both sides, dark line is seen.. like tempered (hardened)part- seen when turning the blade towards the sun light. I will be happy for any information. Thank you and best regards, B.S. Attached Images Last edited by triglav; 31st October 2017 at 10:58 AM.

31st October 2017, 06:40 PM	#7
triglav Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8	Maybe Ottoman date 1211, don't know about two vertical lines " -_". Blede is heavy T shape almost 1 cm wide at the back. Blade is not flat but has nice profile towards the cutting edge like in 18.th century calvary swords, I din't saw this type of edge in other Yatagans. Correctly, writtings looks like in thre diferent styles. Also see some numbers in last bold text...very interestig. Hope to find out what are the meanings the rest of the texts. Bojan Attached Images Last edited by triglav; 1st November 2017 at 01:42 PM.

3rd November 2017, 06:43 AM	#9
triglav Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8	The rest of diferent signatures realy needs a Turk language expert. Last bolded text were made with a tehniqe that I never saw before..letters are made and filled with tiny "rounded" lines, not hamerred like rest of the signatures..Also find some numbers in this "bolded" text.. Thank you and best regards, Bojan Attached Images

20th October 2019, 04:22 PM	#13
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	The date is 1214 (1799-1800). The final 4 is written Persian-style (۴) not Arabic (٤) Last edited by kwiatek; 20th October 2019 at 10:09 PM.

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30th October 2017, 06:13 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	If you are looking for help with a translation please include at least one photo of the complete sword. Best, Robert

31st October 2017, 05:15 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,513	Hello Bojan: Thanks for posting the additional picture of the complete sword. As I look at the inscriptions on the blade (none of which I can read, by the way) it seems that you have at least three different script forms. Also, the blade has a prominent T-spine. Although I own several yataghan, I am no expert on them. This looks like an interesting sword and I look forward to hearing what the experts have to say about it. Welcome to the Forum. Ian.

31st October 2017, 05:44 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Hi Bojan, I can see a date but the last numeral is difficult to read. I think it translates as 1213 A.H. which would convert to 1798/99 A.D. Regards, Norman.

31st October 2017, 06:30 PM	#6
Edster Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 440	Hi Bojan, One of the designs looks like a take-off on a Tughra or monogram of Ottoman sultans. Each sultan had an individual design, but seemed to follow a standard design theme. See link. Translation of the inscribed text may shed some light on its history, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughra Regards, Ed

3rd November 2017, 01:23 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	I wonder what happened to Zifir as he didn't post anything lately but in the past he helped me with the translation on a Turkish Yataghan?!

27th November 2017, 05:34 AM	#12
triglav Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8	Hope to find out at least in which languages are this diferent styles of texts.. Thank you and best regards, Bojan S.