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triglav 30th October 2017 01:53 PM

Help with Yatagan no.1 inscriptions
 
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Hello, Since my father died in February I try to learn more about 3 items from his Balkan collection. 2 Yatagas and 1knife. Yatagan which I post first is 65 cm long (only blade). It has lot of inscription which looks like Arabic, some signature (like owner or sword maker) also in other side of the blade. Metal looks old with rust spots but quality made, to me . Also signatures are written contra side as seen on other Yatagans. Along the cutting edge on both sides, dark line is seen.. like tempered (hardened)part- seen when turning the blade towards the sun light.
I will be happy for any information.
Thank you and best regards,
B.S.

Robert 30th October 2017 06:13 PM

If you are looking for help with a translation please include at least one photo of the complete sword.

Best,
Robert

triglav 30th October 2017 07:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
If you are looking for help with a translation please include at least one photo of the complete sword.

Best,
Robert

Sorry Robert, complete Yatagan added to my post.
Thank you and best regsrds,
Bojan

Ian 31st October 2017 05:15 PM

Hello Bojan:

Thanks for posting the additional picture of the complete sword.

As I look at the inscriptions on the blade (none of which I can read, by the way) it seems that you have at least three different script forms. Also, the blade has a prominent T-spine.

Although I own several yataghan, I am no expert on them. This looks like an interesting sword and I look forward to hearing what the experts have to say about it.

Welcome to the Forum.

Ian.

Norman McCormick 31st October 2017 05:44 PM

Hi Bojan,
I can see a date but the last numeral is difficult to read. I think it translates as 1213 A.H. which would convert to 1798/99 A.D.
Regards,
Norman.

Edster 31st October 2017 06:30 PM

Hi Bojan,

One of the designs looks like a take-off on a Tughra or monogram of Ottoman sultans. Each sultan had an individual design, but seemed to follow a standard design theme. See link. Translation of the inscribed text may shed some light on its history, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tughra

Regards,
Ed

triglav 31st October 2017 06:40 PM

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Maybe Ottoman date 1211, don't know about two vertical lines " -_". Blede is heavy T shape almost 1 cm wide at the back. Blade is not flat but has nice profile towards the cutting edge like in 18.th century calvary swords, I din't saw this type of edge in other Yatagans. Correctly, writtings looks like in thre diferent styles. Also see some numbers in last bold text...very interestig.
Hope to find out what are the meanings the rest of the texts.
Bojan

Norman McCormick 1st November 2017 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by triglav
Maybe Ottoman date 1211



Hi Bojan,
Could be, so that would make it 1796 A.D.
Regards,
Norman.

triglav 3rd November 2017 06:43 AM

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The rest of diferent signatures realy needs a Turk language expert. Last bolded text were made with a tehniqe that I never saw before..letters are made and filled with tiny "rounded" lines, not hamerred like rest of the signatures..Also find some numbers in this "bolded" text..
Thank you and best regards,
Bojan

mariusgmioc 3rd November 2017 01:23 PM

I wonder what happened to Zifir as he didn't post anything lately but in the past he helped me with the translation on a Turkish Yataghan?! :shrug:

triglav 4th November 2017 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc
I wonder what happened to Zifir as he didn't post anything lately but in the past he helped me with the translation on a Turkish Yataghan?! :shrug:

Hope that Mr. Zifir is ok. I read his profesional translations of Ottomam writtings.
Thank you and best regards to all,
Bojan


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