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Old 10th October 2023, 06:23 PM   #9
Jim McDougall
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Originally Posted by werecow View Post
I bought myself some swords for my birthday (I shouldn't be spending money atm but there are SWORDS on the INTERNET! ), one of which was this Tunisian or nearby saber with a French blade and a nice scabbard (maybe from one of you? ). I thought I'd add it here since the swords themselves and particularly the scabbards seem rather rare and information seems scarce. I've tried to take pictures of both the decorative elements and some shots that might show a bit of the details of construction.

Some threads I found with swords of this type:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7429
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13911
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18663
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22054
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28537

Combination of my pics and the sellers because my camera sucks.

It occurred to me that, while the grips on these look rather phallic as a whole, given the North African provenance, the shape of the pommel might also have some connection to those of Jineta/Boabdil swords:



Has anyone else made this connection? Or am I just seeing things?


" ...discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen, and thinking what nobody else has thought".
-Albert von Szent-Gyorgy (1893-1986)

For more years that I can say, while observing these swords with this distinctive and apparently unique wood hilt style , nobody (including myself) has made this connection to the historic Nasrid (jineta) forms, at least that I can recall. It has always seemed these were deemed Tunisian, but quite frankly most of them came up amidst takouba and kaskara study, so were not focused on other than North African anomalies.

This observation is really well placed, and exciting to look further into the history of these swords, which have as noted, virtually no literature or published research, and only have cursory presence in various references.

These seem most likely reflecting the Zenata Berber traditions in a revival or commemorative sense, and these Berber tribes were situated in the Tunisian/Tripolitania/Libya regions in the Granadan Emirate period. After the Reconquista in the 15th century they moved westward into Algeria and Morocco.

With the French cavalry blade, the Saharan potential is clear, but these blades were pretty ubiquitous with French colonial presence, so its hard to use that as a classifying feature.

The anachronistic influences of weapons from Europe and the Iberian Peninsula on native weapon forms in North Africa are many and intriguing, and seeing this instance added to the list is great!
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