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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th July 2011, 08:33 AM
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Posted By tom hyle
BTW, the ebay item is an old photo of an African...

BTW, the ebay item is an old photo of an African arab ox rider with a spear.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 9th July 2011, 08:28 AM
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Posted By tom hyle
hmmm pics are good thanks. None of them show a...

hmmm pics are good thanks. None of them show a hooked structure suitable to carve these hilts from, where there is clearly dense surface bone around the pith on all sides (ie including the butt...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 07:41 PM
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Posted By tom hyle
it's not palm. It appears to be tree wood; note...

it's not palm. It appears to be tree wood; note the "knot" palm is a cycad, not a tree, and doesn't have branches as such, so no knots. Also, it has a rather distinct apperance, more similar to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:27 PM
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Posted By tom hyle
Is that a hardening line, or what is that?

Is that a hardening line, or what is that?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:23 PM
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Posted By tom hyle
That's because these are kilij, rather than...

That's because these are kilij, rather than shamshirs
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:20 PM
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Views: 12,134
Posted By tom hyle
Note how the grips go into the guard and under...

Note how the grips go into the guard and under the lagnets, unlike with shamshir #2
Note how the guard is assembled by hammer welds.
What is the feature that in the sixth photo looks like a modern...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:12 PM
Replies: 15
Views: 7,272
Posted By tom hyle
the grip strikes me as a replacement. It is...

the grip strikes me as a replacement.
It is clunky.
It may be poorly fit (it may have shrunk to leave a gap, but the abrupt depth of the slot the lagnet is in is also suspect)
But most tellingly...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:02 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 54,944
Posted By tom hyle
BTW, I would be very careful taking any antique...

BTW, I would be very careful taking any antique to any official person of any kind for identification or any other reason, especially curators or academics you don't personally know. To some of them...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:57 PM
Replies: 30
Views: 35,078
Posted By tom hyle
likewise the idea that agriculture is lowly or...

likewise the idea that agriculture is lowly or unimportant can be both culture- and class-specific. There wasathread where Billman showed us highly ornamented European bill hooks.
Might Sajen's...
Forum: European Armoury 7th July 2011, 02:37 PM
Replies: 68
Views: 133,577
Posted By tom hyle
Note the upturned rear quillon on two of these. ...

Note the upturned rear quillon on two of these. Upturned rear quillons are certainly a thing one sees on European swords. This pertains to a thread about a Batangas/Luzon sword recently.
Note how...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:22 PM
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Views: 52,671
Posted By tom hyle
Is that a tiny mambele with a disc on its tip? ...

Is that a tiny mambele with a disc on its tip? It certainly looks like one? although the disc seems all-white and could be a trick reflection....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:17 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 52,671
Posted By tom hyle
3. Woman's knife. Blade curved, designed for...

3. Woman's knife. Blade curved, designed for striking a slanting blow. Bagobo, southeastern Mindanao ..."[/I][/QUOTE]

This appears to be a cane-splitting knife; a typical work knife often...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:09 PM
Replies: 11
Views: 10,295
Posted By tom hyle
I've seen this blade type; but from where? ...

I've seen this blade type; but from where?
Obviously oceanic SE Asian.
What's not to like about the forging? I agree that the surface is not entirely finely ground, as usually seen on barong, but...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:05 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 54,944
Posted By tom hyle
Note that the porous core is not exposed at the...

Note that the porous core is not exposed at the top (ie. butt) side of the pommel hook, but only where it is carved down into its center. If this were a piece sawn from a longer bone, would this be...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 01:59 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 54,944
Posted By tom hyle
BTW, there has been quite a trade in arctic ivory...

BTW, there has been quite a trade in arctic ivory (etc.) since at least the 18th and aparently somewhat world wide. I have an Indonesian statue of a rhinoceros made from what is clearly walrus...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 01:46 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 9,935
Posted By tom hyle
I noticed that, but often on Mindinao Malay...

I noticed that, but often on Mindinao Malay sheaths that socket is actually round, so that the part where it crosses the face of the sheath is narrower than the center of the ferule, but the center...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 04:09 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 6,889
Posted By tom hyle
For a non-African example of swords that serate...

For a non-African example of swords that serate with big, symetrical, pointed serations, BTW, see ancient Etruscan swords.
Forum: European Armoury 7th July 2011, 04:06 AM
Replies: 68
Views: 133,577
Posted By tom hyle
Venetian in use. However, used by central...

Venetian in use. However, used by central European/Slavic mercenaries, and the square cat head pommel is seen on other central European broadswords and is reminiscent of some katzbalger pommels.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 04:04 AM
Replies: 11
Views: 9,865
Posted By tom hyle
For an interesting photo comparison see ebay...

For an interesting photo comparison see ebay #360371961389 (ended)
There are a couple of daggers currently on ebay with the bolsters like this, but I have to wait for them to end to mention them...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:20 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 7,405
Posted By tom hyle
Is that a bicorner hat? I notice what look like...

Is that a bicorner hat?
I notice what look like incompletely polished pits on the blade, in the close up.
Can we see a close up of the grooves?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:16 AM
Replies: 7
Views: 7,867
Posted By tom hyle
Hmmm...."eyelash" marks, anyone? It is often...

Hmmm...."eyelash" marks, anyone?
It is often thought that clubs would be obsolete as weapons going back to the local advent of steel blades, but this does not appear to be historically the case....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:11 AM
Replies: 52
Views: 37,308
Posted By tom hyle
Leaning around in stacks and piles is the kind of...

Leaning around in stacks and piles is the kind of reason why I avoid leather sheathed swords, for instance; just hard on them being haphazardly stored and concomitantly repeatedly moved. "display"...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:05 AM
Replies: 8
Views: 8,890
Posted By tom hyle
I think it's original. Not because I can say a...

I think it's original.
Not because I can say a reason to do it, but because I've seen it before on Spainish swords and daggers, and because it resembles the way the upcurved rear quillon of a kris...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 03:02 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 54,944
Posted By tom hyle
The second hilt shown seems to show some...

The second hilt shown seems to show some irregularities of the original substance surface, between pommel and grip, that look like those of an antler. The denseness of the porous core is more...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th July 2011, 02:52 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 54,944
Posted By tom hyle
The porous part seems to be narrow, rather than...

The porous part seems to be narrow, rather than round/wide,as at the ball of a femur. I suspect it might be a piece from the curve of a jawbone, if indeed it is not an antler. On whales the jawbone...
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