The barrel of absolutely similar type ( handgonne from Kalmar (Sweden))
http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/bild.asp?uid=315308
http://catview.historiska.se/catview.../highres/48315
http://catview.historiska.se/catview...highres/103066

absolutely unique barrel (I have never seen this type before)
http://carl.kulturen.com/pls/carlott...n_masidn=45820

Ah, the type of cannon i would like so much to have :shrug: .


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Hi Alexander,

The shape of this mid-15th c. tiller barrel without showing an accentuated, reinforced breech is highy unusual indeed. There is another, similar though preserved in the famous Princely collection at Konopiste Castle, Czechia: tiller stock missing, barrel ca. 1450, length 49.5 mm, cal. 39 mm!

Best,
Michael

Thank You for sharing! Have it chamber or not?

I marked the touchhole which markes the beginning of the breech (powder chamber); behind it is the tiller socket (now empty).

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I mean chamber tapering inside of barrel (Like on Tannenberg handgonne). This barrel both was made with very high quality and have a very thin sids. We can see similar barrels on this Spanish tapestry
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=69714&stc=1
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=tapestry

You mean Portuguese :cool:

Of course, I'm sorry :D

[QUOTE=Spiridonov]I mean chamber tapering inside of barrel (Like on Tannenberg handgonne). [/QUOTE.

I think this should be actually called a bore narrowing behind a bell-mouthed or widened muzzle.

I have often found this with a lot of 15th c. barrels when exactly measured, e.g. with my own famous haquebut barrel dated 1481, which you yourself handled in my collection. I think it was just an easy method to simplify loading the gun, especially with any kind of shot.

Please ref.: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ich+dated+1481

Anyway, youre doubtlessly right concering the unusually thinness at the bronze muzzle walls - that's really astounding, especially for bronze! Seems to have worked in a way, though ... :eek:


Best,
Michael

Michael I mean not a bore narrowing but this part of barrel:

Hi Alexander,

I don't know whether this barrel has a narrowed bore at the breech but regarding its date I doubt it has.

Best,
Michael

An unusually large (135 cm long) and heavy (ca. 15 kg) wrought iron tiller-socketed haquebut barrel, ca. 1490-1500, sold at the Dorotheum Vienna a few days ago. It fteched more than 9,300 euro.
On top of the end of the socket (tube) you can see the nail hole for fixing the (now missing) tiller. A bit further to the right, there is the touch hole on the right hand side.
As the later-added barrel loops and the hole in the hook indicate, it was alterated for a full stock during its working life, most probably in the 1520's, the Peasants' Wars. It must also have been then that a dove-tailed igniting pan was attached to the touch hole (now missing); the dovetail is still visible.

Best,
Michael

http://www.handgonne.com/gonne_1a.html
Michael, I think that 14 is the wrong date. What do You think about this barrel? It dont't looks like european at all :confused:

It's of Chinese origin and probably 18th c., that's why it doesn't look European. There are many of these around on the market.

Best,
Michael

Oh ... i almost dared to say so myself, but prefered to wait for the master :cool:

A German bronze hackbut c.1470-1500. Lenght 780 mm,
Bore 20.5 mm Weight 11.8 kg

Good job, Swordfish,

Where is this barrel, which was originally fitted with a tiller stock and later alterated to full-stock, preserved?

Best,
Michael

Unfortunately I don`t know what you mean. The Kronburg hackbut?

Here are two hackbuts from Sweden:

http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=123316
With remains of the wooden shaft. Found in Skåne in the region of Norra Åsum, this one is undated. Barrel 101 cm, calibre 19 mm

http://www.historiska.se/data/?foremal=115866
Found in Stockholm, dated to the late middle ages. Barrel 106 cm, calibre not mentioned.

Very nice :cool:

Two arquebuses, type dated to the 15th century and owned by the Schützengilde (marksmen gilde) of Woldegk, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany est. 1514. No 1 length of 858 mm caliber 22 mm, no 2 length 872 mm caliber 27 mm.

According to the literature both arquebuses were owned by the makrsmen guild since several hundred years and were still used as salute guns in the 1930s.

Hi Andi,

According to the clear formal and stylistic criteria that these two hackbut/haquebut barrels show (the one on top with octagonal rear section, long, slender and round mid section and long, octagonal muzzle section, the lower one round throughout but also divided in three stages), and backed up by the general Early-Renaissance stylistic three-stage feeling of their smith(s), they can be safely dated to ca. 1525-30.
Thus, they are no longer Gothic 15th c. specimen.

As they do not seem to have any pans attached to the touch-hole areas, the pans and covers are either missing (in which case traces of their former dovetailing must be seen) or are a highly unusual feature.


For more on such pieces and their dating criteria, please search my threads.


Best,
Michael

Hello Matchlock! Thanks for your info. Sorry that I posted them in the wrong thread - should we as the moderators or admins to move this replies to the suitable thread?

Hi Andi,

I photoshopped the picture of those two wrought iron haquebut barrels, which, in all probability, were made in Suhl/Thuringia, in about 1530.
However, they do not feature what Alexender called tube fastening, meaning rear sockets for a wooden tiller stock, as that way of stocking a barrel had been outdated by ca. 1500, at the latest.

Is this photo authored/copyrighted by you, or by the Schützengilde Woldegk?

Best,
Michael

Unfortunately I have no copyright on the image and no further infos on the pieces. I tried to contact the Schützengilde Woldegk and the mayor of the town Woldeg but received no reply till yet. :mad:

Good news regarding the both hackbuts of Woldegk.

I just received a phonecall of the curator of the local Mühlenmuseum in Woldegk who told me, that both barrel are still existing. One was requisitioned by Regional Museum in Neubrandenburg after WWII and kept during GDR-times. The other one was hidden by him until the 1990 and then passed to Regionalmusuem Neubrandenburgas a permanent loan. I can't wait to visit the Museum in Neubrandenburg.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=78752&stc=1
Huvudliggare
beskrivning/anteckningar: KM 43044. Handkanon, brons, med skaft av trä; medeltida. Ink. för avkastningen av "Skånebokens fond". Ink. på auktion å fabr. H. Swanbergs vapensaml. i Eslöv d. 25.9.44. Kat. n:r 59
m/l: M
förvärvsomständigheter: Köp 195.00
förvärvad från: Fabrikör H. Swanberg Eslöv
samtidiga förvärv: 43044-43047
Presentationstext
Ur utställningskatalogen: Funnen i Åhus hamn. De tidigaste eldvapnen var av denna typ utan lås och kallades ofta för rör. Krutet tändes med en lunta via hålet ovanpå. Kanoner av denna typ användes på fästningsvallar och krävde två personer- en som tände på och en som siktade. Vissa av dessa kanoner hade en hake att hålla mot en mur, för att hindra rekylen, och kallades då hakebössor.
Beskrivning
Skaft av trä, pipa av brons.
Historik
Med i utställningen "Makt över liv" vapenutställning 2007-.;
Handkanonen sågs av H. Swanberg ffg då han var 8 år, den låg då på en vind i Åhus, hos en person vid namn Delin, (utan egentligt yrke, dog i tuberkulos). Svanberg brukade på somrarna besöka en i Åhus bosatt moster. Det berättades att kanonen hittats i Åhus hamn av en dykare mitt för slottet vid en fartygsundersökning. Lokförare Johansson, brukade köra vexelloket på Åhus station, död för några år sedan (samband med honom?).
Inhämtat av H. Svanberg per telefon den 13/1 1947 ( Av Ragnar Blomquist)
Material
brons; trä
Längd
122,6 cm [med träskaft]; 50 cm [utan träskaft]
Kaliber
45 mm
Vikt
7435 gr [?]

Hi Spiridonov,

These guns have been published in Wilfried Tittmanns PhD thesis (Bochum 2015, unfortunatelly it´s only in German). Following Tittmann the guns from your post are in fact arabian/ottoman weapons, so Bulgaria wasn´t the badest idea. :)

Is this a handcannon or barrel
 

I found this between a catch of fish in the noth sea outside de river thames

Interesting! Is there a touchhole drilled into one side of the barrel, at the rear, that connects with the bore? Any markings? How is the smaller-diameter "stem" in back attached -- does it look like a separate piece screwed in or brazed on, or does this thing look like it was cast in one piece? Finally, what kind of alloy do you think the metal is -- bronze, brass, or just copper?

Hi Patrick,

Interesting piece, could you send me some more HD pictures please?
What is the bore diameter? Looks like a small caliber.
The threaded haft is something i never have seen before either. Very cool piece.

Marcus, are you determining that this is an actual cannon barrel ?

Could be Nando, though i wouldnt rule a candlestick out either. :)

Added:
Here is a picture of a 16th century candlestick. Take away the bottom and top..?

Hoi Marcus
The bore hole is 17 mm and on the end close to the thread ther is a small hole and inside as far i can see there are groves

Hoi Philip
Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made

Hi Patrick,

Could you show us a picture of the possible touchhole please?

Hoi Philip
Thre is a small hole at the end the last part close to the thread
Is made from bronze i thinck
As far i can see it looks made in one piece
The last part above the thread is conical made

I hope you have something on the fotos

Looks like a touch hole indeed.