Nice Old Sudanese/Somali Shield For Comment

[Lew]

Hi Tim,Freddy,Flavio and All

This just arrived today! An old African shield Sudanese or Somali? It measures about 14" across and has a lovely patina. The shield is in almost mint condition and is quite heavy for it's size. It seems to be made of hippo hide? Here are some shots mixed in with some period daggers and a sword. Let me know what you think?

Lew

[Tim Simmons]

Hi Lew, thats a very nice shield excellent condition. I am sure these shields are used in Sudanese areas but they are normally listed as Somali and Ethiopian. There seems to be several versions of this type which are said to be made of Giraffe or Oryx hide. The one I have post is made of leather 5mm thick. The other shield, the leather is 12mm thick which is Hippo or Rhino skin. How thick is the leather on your example? How nice to have the related weaponry. Tim

[Tim Simmons]

These pictures of Somali warriors show some of the varriation. Tim

[Lew]

Hi Lew, thats a very nice shield excellent condition. I am sure these shields are used in Sudanese areas but they are normally listed as Somali and Ethiopian. There seems to be several versions of this type which are said to be made of Giraffe or Oryx hide. The one I have post is made of leather 5mm thick. The other shield, the leather is 12mm thick which is Hippo or Rhino skin. How thick is the leather on your example? How nice to have the related weaponry. Tim

Tim

My shield is around 10-12mm also 3/8-1/2 inch thick. Is that a Somali sword I spy in the background?


Lew

[Tim Simmons]

Yes Somali, shortsword and knives .Tim

[Flavio]

Hi Guys very beautiful items!! I haven't a shield to show :( but an Hadendoa knife and a sudanese one :)

[Tim Simmons]

I have read that shields made in the horn of Africa were in use and exported as trade items to many neighbouring countries, I would imagine many weapons probably travelled some distance from centers of manufacture. Tim
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[Tim Simmons]

I just got this today at a local junk market and thought I should add it to this thread. This completes the set of standard Somali warrior weapons for me. The sword, dagger, spear, shield, I have forgotten the club the warrior in the picture is holding. :rolleyes: one more to go. Tim

[ariel]

I am always surprised by Hadendoa daggers: at first blush they appear to be crude, but are usually incredibly sharp.
The handles are very well carved from hard wood and the blades are secured very well. What kind of wood did they use and how did they secure the blades?

[Tim Simmons]

The one I have, appears to have been glued into the hilt at the time of manufacture with some sort of organic glue or resin. I have just had another look with a jewellers loop and the glue looks very much like gum arabic. Tim

[Lew]

I am always surprised by Hadendoa daggers: at first blush they appear to be crude, but are usually incredibly sharp.
The handles are very well carved from hard wood and the blades are secured very well. What kind of wood did they use and how did they secure the blades?

Ariel

The wood is called African Blackwood it's very dense it is more stable when it comes to shrinkage than ebony.

Lew

[spiral]

The African blackwood used is actualy a Dalbergia specis. {Rosewood.} & is more resiliant & heaveir than most of the ebonies.

Lots of woodwind instruments are made of it.

Spiral

[Freddy]

Hi guys,

Here's my shield. I traded it sometime ago with a German friend for an African knife. It's made of some kind of thick leather. Could it be hippo ? It's diameter is about 44 cm. There are traces of red and white paint.

My friend told me it originates from Sudan.

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[REMEMBERGORDON]

The two thick ones look like hippo hide shields as used by Hadendoa and Beja tribesmen in the Sudan in the 19th-early 20th century. They were usually undecorated on the outside and sometimes had a couple of notches on the outer edge...commonly used in the battles at Khartoum and Omdurman. I am looking for a good Hadendoa hippo hide shield circa 1880s...if anyone has any leads.

[Luc LEFEBVRE]

Nice set Lew !
From Sudan (except throwing knives) I have just this strange long dagger.
The blade is engraving (acid) with coranic texts on both side, the handle is made of wood, sort of glass beads and strand of copper.
The scabbard is made with a tail of a crocodile :eek:
Luc

[Lew]

Luc

Some people say that I am a bit obsessed with Sudanese arm daggers :rolleyes:


Lew

[Tim Simmons]

Lew look at the center of the boss on your beautiful shield, it too has the indentation of the jig, the concentric circles were not tooled/rolled into the leather freehand. I am getting more confident about my theory. The wheel was/is used across mediterranean N Africa and surely the red sea coast to include Somalia. This jig need only be a simple wooden structure. Tim