Fittings on Persian sword scabbard

[BerberDagger]

Hi at all,
I would known if on persian culture this symbol has a meaning?

Thanks
BerberDagger

[ariel]

Can you show more? It looks vaguely Caucasian because of niello. On the other hand the form reminds Arabian Akrab. Need more info.

[BerberDagger]

Hi,
thanks for reply! Please tell me details that you need...

[ariel]

How about the handle and blade?
This is a striptease show: slow, with a lot of anticipation and peek-a boo-ing :-)
Any markings would be extremely useful, too.

[ward]

Strip tease or not its Arab work c 1850 Riyadh or Jidda

Ward

[Jim McDougall]

The device is the 'aghrab' which symbolizes scorpion, apotropaic in Arabian lore.

[BerberDagger]

Hi,
thanks ,scorpion is not symbol of war on arab culture ?

[ward]

It WARDs off evil. Nice word Jim how much that cost you :)

[Jim McDougall]

It WARDs off evil. Nice word Jim how much that cost you :)


Nice one WARD :)!! 'apotropaic' was one of my big dictionary words...two bits I think!! but OK, evil it is.

[ward]

Hey Jim your right either way
Lets see the whole sword berber

[ariel]

I hate to disagree with Ward, but it seems to me that there are 2 styles: silver fittings are Caucasian ( Circassian?) whereas the throat is much newer and obviously Arabian.
We absolutely need to see the rest.

[BerberDagger]

Hi,
after striptease...tomorrow i post good photo...
I ve a expertise for this sword from a good expert on islamic weapons...but i m interested on other opinion...
Thanks
B.Dagger

[BerberDagger]

sorry tomorrow good photo

[ariel]

Do I see a rudimentary yelman?
Close-up of the inscription?
Is the handle of fixed width throughout or is it widening toward the base?

[BerberDagger]

Is the handle of fixed width throughout or is it widening toward the base?

i ve not understand your question?

thanks
B.dagger

[ward]

Ariel where do you see caucasus work?

[ariel]

middle fittings with the rings look circassian to me. never seen similar ornaments on arabian silverwork. same with the drag, but cannot see details well enough to be more certain. check astvatsaturyan's book.

[ward]

Ariel
Check p 12 far right and 23 Elgood Arabian arms and armor this is typical Arab work nothing like caucasaian that I can see

Ward

[ariel]

I am referring strictly to the ornaments on the middle pieces: they look Circassian, with very sparse figures, petal-like. They look nearly identical to the decoration on Circassian shashkas and firearms.
The ones in the Elgood book ... I could not see any decorative pattern besides a very Arabian one on the drag.

[BerberDagger]

Thanks at all for reply ...
I post aerly photos of all sword.

This sword has a expertise , for the expert mounted is ottoman and blade persian...

I wait some opinions

regards
Berberdagger